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    1. Tuur Demeester‏ @TuurDemeester Feb 9
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      I calculated the Bitcoin circulating supply equivalent of Central Bank gold reserves.pic.twitter.com/lSTvK7Szkh

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    2. Tuur Demeester‏ @TuurDemeester Feb 9
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      Allows for fun comparisons, e.g.: The MtGox Trustee currently controls 137,891 BTC, which is bigger in terms of market share than the gold reserves of the Swiss central bank.

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    3. Tuur Demeester‏ @TuurDemeester Feb 9
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      Sources: http://www.lbma.org.uk/good-delivery-explained …, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_reserve …, https://www.goldmoney.com/images/media/Files/Old_GM_WP/theabovegroundgoldstock.pdf …, https://www.blockchain.com/en/charts/total-bitcoins …, https://www.cryptoground.com/mtgox-cold-wallet-monitor/ …

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    4. Tuur Demeester‏ @TuurDemeester Feb 9
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      If the Dutch Central Bank wanted to hold as much weight in the Bitcoin world as it does in the Gold world, it could do that by investing $250M in BTC today.pic.twitter.com/OE6Hb78P0j

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    5. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Feb 9
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      Replying to @TuurDemeester @martijnbolt

      Weight or control is not why central banks hold gold, and it wouldn't be why they'd buy Bitcoin.

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      Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Feb 9
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      Replying to @NickSzabo4 @TuurDemeester @martijnbolt

      A central bank holds gold because they need a portion of their reserves that is trust-minimized and therefore a fallback to and anti-correlated with trust-based assets like government bonds and foreign currencies.

      4:35 PM - 9 Feb 2019
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        2. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Feb 9
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @TuurDemeester @martijnbolt

          Once their need for trust minimization (which varies greatly depending on their political circumstances) outweighs the risks from Bitcoin's greater volatility, they will start to switch -- the ones with the greatest such needs much sooner than the ones with the least, naturally.

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        3. Fernando Nieto‏ @fnietom Feb 10
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @TuurDemeester @martijnbolt

          Volatility can be sold using derivatives while keeping the trust-minimized underlying, so a liquid and mature derivatives market may advance government adoption.

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        4. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Feb 10
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          Replying to @fnietom @TuurDemeester @martijnbolt

          No, the trust-minimized underlying has to pay a big premium for this artificial construct. Also how do you do this in a trust-minimized way, without an oracle?

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        5. Fernando Nieto‏ @fnietom Feb 10
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          Fernando Nieto Retweeted Fernando Nieto

          You could sell futures contracts in a traditional exchange matching bitcoin holdings (volatility hedge is not trust-minimized). The cost equals convenience yield associated to holding the underlying until expiry (the price of trust minimization) of course.https://twitter.com/fnietom/status/1084815552223285248 …

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          Gold lease rates (LIBOR - GOFO) are not always >0. Therefore its Cost of Storage can be greater than its Convenience Yield (Cost of Carry = Funding Interest Rate + CS - CY). http://jpkoning.blogspot.com/2014/11/golds-rising-convenience-yield.html … The incentives for the creation of paper gold don't exist in bitcoin (CS < CY). pic.twitter.com/XwMlKqkYCe
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        6. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Feb 10
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          Replying to @fnietom @TuurDemeester @martijnbolt

          A centralized exchange isn't trust-minimized. The holders of the longs and the shorts (the latter needed to hedge the volatility of the underlying) would, unlike the underlying, have political vulnerability, eliminating which was the whole point of the exercise.

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        7. Fernando Nieto‏ @fnietom Feb 10
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @TuurDemeester @martijnbolt

          A central bank could keep part of its holdings in bitcoin (trust-minimized) even if it uses a trust-based hedge to eliminate bitcoin volatility exposure. These are risks of a very different magnitude, it's not the same risking the hedge as risking the principal.

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        8. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Feb 10
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          Replying to @fnietom @TuurDemeester @martijnbolt

          That's an interesting idea.

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        2. Brian Cohen‏ @inthepixels Feb 9
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @TuurDemeester @martijnbolt

          I thought it was tradition ¯\_(ツ)_/¯https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Dj9v9s9buk …

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        3. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Feb 9
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          Replying to @inthepixels @TuurDemeester @martijnbolt

          Central banks have no great love for tradition, their history is filled with trampling on monetary traditions, from seducing people to switch from trust-minimized money to IOUs, to reneging on those IOUs, to treating vast economies as guinea pigs for their recent QE experiments.

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        4. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Feb 9
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          If they didn't still find gold very useful they would have long ago sold it all.

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        2. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Feb 9
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          Replying to @jordankittle @TuurDemeester @martijnbolt

          It's currently too volatile and it's security hasn't yet, AFAIK, been battle-tested in a war.

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          They buy Gold to try to come close to balancing worthless Fiat. There is not enough physical Gold to do that, 9x fake Gold and still not enough, what other Gold is there out there!?

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        1. r3marqable‏ @r3marqable Sep 26
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @TuurDemeester @martijnbolt

          And because deepdown they know that this fiat nonsense is just a global game of Monopoly money changing hands!

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        1. Mark O'Carroll‏ @mark_o_carroll Sep 27
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          A central bank holds gold because it is a currency, it really is that simple

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