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Blockchain, cryptocurrency, and smart contracts pioneer. (RT/Fav/Follow does not imply endorsement). Blog: http://unenumerated.blogspot.com 

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    1. Vlad Zamfir‏ @VladZamfir Jan 25
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      Against @NickSzabo4's Law, For A New Crypto Legal System I am willing to die on this hill.https://link.medium.com/NvXjbhJIMT 

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    2. Vitalik Non-giver of Ether‏Verified account @VitalikButerin Jan 26
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      Replying to @VladZamfir @NickSzabo4

      Responded!https://medium.com/@VitalikButerin/he-imagines-a-world-in-which-crypto-political-and-legal-processes-are-necessarily-going-to-go-fb073b80dd7e …

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    3. Vlad Zamfir‏ @VladZamfir Jan 26
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      Replying to @VitalikButerin @NickSzabo4

      Can't write long-form right now, but crypto law should not be used to rule out political outcomes, it should be about due process. There is nothing conservative about Szabo's law, from the point of view of legal tradition. It's radical, and dismisses conservative legal thought.

      4 replies 1 retweet 26 likes
    4. Vlad Zamfir‏ @VladZamfir Jan 26
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      Replying to @VladZamfir @VitalikButerin @NickSzabo4

      The question isn't what governance outcomes I or people want, but what protocols do we want to use for managing our disputes

      6 replies 3 retweets 31 likes
    5. Vitalik Non-giver of Ether‏Verified account @VitalikButerin Jan 26
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      Replying to @VladZamfir @NickSzabo4

      I honestly feel the conversation is not very useful without digging into specifics. Because the specific outcomes we want to achieve and their level of frequency and invasiveness dictates the institutions required to reliably generate them.

      9 replies 9 retweets 73 likes
      Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Jan 26
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      The specifics of law & governance are of vast complexity & largely unknowable. We mainly have institutions & laws resulting from millennia of cultural evolution, now the full-time study of lawyers, accountnts, &c.. Only mental children pretend they can reinvent this from scratch.

      9:33 AM - 26 Jan 2019
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        2. .‏ @ripplelover Jan 26
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @VladZamfir @VitalikButerin

          @NickSzabo4 are you surprised bitcoin is basically still legal?

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        3. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Jan 26
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          Replying to @ripplelover @VladZamfir @VitalikButerin

          No.

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        2. Tuur Demeester‏ @TuurDemeester Jan 26
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @VitalikButerin @VladZamfir

          I'm strongly reminded of Van Dun's "Against Libertarian Legalism", which is a call for humility. It appears that Zamfir is walking in the same trap, by preaching "Crypto Legalism". https://mises.org/library/against-libertarian-legalism-comment-kinsella-and-block-0 …pic.twitter.com/RWi7XwTU3n

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        3. Vlad Zamfir‏ @VladZamfir Jan 26
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          Replying to @TuurDemeester @NickSzabo4 @VitalikButerin

          We already have Nick's crappy, insecure and aggressive crypto legalism. I would rather just have less legalism than to have this crypto law.

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        1. 1Man/ManyMachines‏ @NZN Jan 26
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @VitalikButerin @VladZamfir

          Indeed,only one principle is of utmost structural importance nowwww..self-Sovereign human authority,technical perma-structure w/ Constitutional guarantee & protection.. #WePeople expressed as I & I in all lawful transactions. Origin of socio-economic existence at play, in war..

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        1. Jeff Coleman‏ @technocrypto Jan 26
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @VladZamfir @VitalikButerin

          It's not especially clear to me who (in this comment) is trying/pretending to reinvent this from scratch. Who are you referring to?

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        2. zawy‏ @zawy3 Jan 26
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @VitalikButerin @VladZamfir

          Legal systems generate the rules governing an economic system for the purpose of making the pair sustainably stronger. "Settling disputes" is way too narrow. Law defines, detects, & corrects non-optimal economic events such as cancer.

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        3. Daniel "not giving away GoldmanTokens" Goldman‏ @DZack23 Jan 26
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          Replying to @zawy3 @NickSzabo4 and

          Agreed generally, tho not sure about the cancer example; I would say that if you zoom out enough, a legal definition of what constitutes cancer, say, actually does ultimately exist to settle disputes (do you have something else in mind?)

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        4. zawy‏ @zawy3 Jan 26
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          Replying to @DZack23 @NickSzabo4 and

          My objection to restricting it to "settling disputes" is that it does not explicitly include defining & detecting them. It also implies specific parties which does not clearly include prevention of systemic non-optimal conditions such as monopolies, pollution, & lack of roads.

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        1. Markets Aurelius‏ @MarketsAurelius Jan 26
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @VitalikButerin @VladZamfir

          Very Blackstoneian

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        2. Alan [Doesn’t post unsafe links] Siefert‏ @alan8325 Jan 26
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @VitalikButerin @VladZamfir

          Also, if “crypto law” comes in conflict with the legal system and I feel the legal system is unjust I’d rather use guns to defend against the legal system than try and bend crypto law to be more aligned. I’m willing to die on this hill (Or in a SWAT raid).

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        1. AndriyTyurnikov‏ @AndriyTyurnikov Jan 26
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @VitalikButerin @VladZamfir

          Looks like even those who invented something innovative loose faith once in a while

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        1. Trypto  🇨🇦‏ @tryptoXRP Jan 26
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @VitalikButerin @VladZamfir

          OOF

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        1. Crypt0cracy‏ @Crypt0cracy Jan 26
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @VitalikButerin @VladZamfir

          Vitalik Rekterin

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        1. David Mondrus‏ @mongoosenewyork Jan 26
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @VitalikButerin @VladZamfir

          From the same place as "he who governs least governs the best"? (That's TJ, as I'm sure you know)

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        1. Ben Beideman‏ @BenBeideman_com Jan 26
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @VitalikButerin @VladZamfir

          These dispute resolution protocols are what have kept our civilization, well, civil (at least more than it otherwise would have been). Some changes to these will occur as a result of societal developments, but IMO it won't be fast. Probably better to be quite deliberative here.

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        1. Jeremias‏ @neptox Jan 26
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @VitalikButerin @VladZamfir

          History has proven again and again that any ever lasting social constructs doesn’t allow predictions for the upcoming 5 years ;) “Young people believe in change, old people in stability”

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