19/ All this to say that I don't think Graeber understands the claims that other people like Menger and Mises have made. Furthermore, in no way do any of his claims prove that the case for barter is actually wrong.
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Replying to @yassineARK @mises and
Graeber is probably going to show up in this thread with histrionics (see: his meltdown after Taleb) but his book to me was a very straightforward statement of the idea that the hardness of money required for a trade varies with the mutual trust of the counterparties
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Replying to @nic__carter @yassineARK and
He literally makes this point in his book. trading fish in your local village? favors (credit) probably suffice. intercontinental trade? silver or gold, because you'll never see your counterparty again. Bitcoin suits commerce of the latter form – money for enemies
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Replying to @nic__carter @yassineARK and
It's really hard to read Debt and not see it as a very straightforward argument for the necessity of non-credit based money. Just like morality, credit cannot universalize. For trade among mutually mistrustful parties, hard and fast-settling commodity money is ideal
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Replying to @nic__carter @yassineARK and
The money-from-barter theory is *theoretically* accurate, it can and indeed (as with the POWs) has happened. But a barter market (a) presupposes an efficient market, far more rare in prehistory than bilateral monopolies & coercive transactions, and (b) as observed is unstable.
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Replying to @NickSzabo4 @nic__carter and
As a result, what travelers, missionaries & ethnologists mostly observed among neolithic- or forager-like cultures was more alien to economists -- few spot markets or other use in day2day transactions, rather specialized stores of wealth used in fitness-critical wealth transfers.
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Replying to @NickSzabo4 @nic__carter and
so then what was used in day2day transactions?
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Replying to @CommodoreBTC @nic__carter and
Day2Day transactions were things like sharing food within clan, or a ritualized, bilateral monopoly exchange of e.g. yams for fish between coastal clan & inland clan. Sophisticated ongoing obligations occasionally involving future settlement w/collectibles or counter-barter.
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No bazaars, posted prices, or other such market paraphernalia, that's from a much later era, long after dawn of agriculture, and only when and where social scales were much larger than forager or neolithic social scales.
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Replying to @NickSzabo4 @CommodoreBTC and
Not even decentralized exchanges
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