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Blockchain, cryptocurrency, and smart contracts pioneer. (RT/Fav/Follow does not imply endorsement). Blog: http://unenumerated.blogspot.com 

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    1. Justin Moon‏ @_JustinMoon_ 23 Dec 2018
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      Why is it that cryptographers made so much more money off Bitcoin than Austrian economists did?

      28 replies 16 retweets 140 likes
    2. Ruminative Orangutan‏ @Ruminorang 23 Dec 2018
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      I think @NickSzabo4 has answered this one. The design space in computer science was so much greater than in the word of politics

      1 reply 0 retweets 13 likes
    3. Justin Moon‏ @_JustinMoon_ 23 Dec 2018
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      This doesn't explain why so many cryptographers HODLed Bitcoin and so few Austrians did

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    4. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 24 Dec 2018
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      Replying to @_JustinMoon_ @Ruminorang

      Most Austrian economists, like economists generally, operate at a layer of society's "protocol stack" that assumes security is already solved. But it was security/trust minimization that had to be solved to provide sound money not dependent on government for its security.

      14 replies 145 retweets 518 likes
    5. bitcoinpasada ⚡‏ @bitcoinpasada 24 Dec 2018
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      I can explain this: Rothbard, speaking in rather broad theoretical terms, said that money arises from goods that have commodity trading value. It was thought by many Austrians looking at Bitcoin early on that with no commodity price, it could have no monetary value.

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    6. bitcoinpasada ⚡‏ @bitcoinpasada 24 Dec 2018
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      I remember the debate very well since I sided with Rothbard on this point and didn't buy any Bitcoin in 2010.

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    7. bitcoinpasada ⚡‏ @bitcoinpasada 24 Dec 2018
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      To put it simply, that interpretation requires a "base trading price" for the commodity upon which a money price can be based. It was believed that without this "base price" Bitcoin would be impossible to price. Now we understand that yes it's hard to price but it is not zero.

      2 replies 3 retweets 22 likes
    8. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 24 Dec 2018
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      Yes this was always a fallacious argument that comes from taking economic theories too dogmatically. It's like arguing that an insurance contract can't be useful as an insurance contract until it's useful for something more concrete, say generating power or growing food.

      3 replies 3 retweets 61 likes
      Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 24 Dec 2018
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      Replying to @NickSzabo4 @bitcoinpasada and

      It also helped me, when designing bit gold, that I studied the actual archeology and ethnography of the origins of money, and knew that money or something very much like it rose millenia before the dawn of spot commodity markets and widely respected property rights.

      12:56 PM - 24 Dec 2018
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        2. bitcoinpasada ⚡‏ @bitcoinpasada 24 Dec 2018
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          Would love to know any sources you might remember off hand on this topic of the origins of money. Thanks.

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        3. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 24 Dec 2018
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          Nick Szabo  🔑 Retweeted Nick Szabo  🔑

          Prior to that time, my main source was the first few chapters of Roy Davies and some related readings in archaeology and ethnography about shell money etc. But I've since expanded my reading, you can finds refs in my own works:https://twitter.com/NickSzabo4/status/954225789129469952 …

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          Nick Szabo  🔑 @NickSzabo4
          Some of my writings on collectibles and the origins of money: Original paper: http://nakamotoinstitute.org/shelling-out/  Ethnographic example: https://unenumerated.blogspot.com/2017/02/conflict-and-collectibles-among-yurok_87.html … Authority resemblance etc. in the archaeological record: https://unenumerated.blogspot.com/2016/07/artifacts-of-wealth-patterns-in_15.html … Metal: https://unenumerated.blogspot.com/2017/03/collecting-metal-inner-and-outer-worlds.html …
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        4. bitcoinpasada ⚡‏ @bitcoinpasada 24 Dec 2018
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          Excellent, thank you.

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        2. BitcoinTina ☣️- "TINA" (There is no Alternative)‏ @BitcoinTina 24 Dec 2018
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @bitcoinpasada and

          Nick how would you apportion value in #bitcoin between (security/not confiscateable) vs fixed supply?

          2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
        3. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 24 Dec 2018
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          Replying to @BitcoinTina @bitcoinpasada and

          I think a wide variety of supply algos would have worked, as long as they are predictable. Bitcoin's works well because it is simple enough for a large number of users to understand. Security/trust min is responsible for more of the value, as I assess it.

          7 replies 12 retweets 93 likes
        4. Hugo Nguyen‏ @hugohanoi 25 Dec 2018
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @bitcoinpasada and

          Indeed, Bitcoin at the core relies on people's 'bounded rationality' to sustain itself. So the simpler the incentive scheme, the more people will buy into it and contribute to its continued security. I wrote about this recentlyhttps://medium.com/@hugonguyen/bitcoins-incentive-scheme-and-the-rational-individual-dc20effa4715 …

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        5. Hugo Nguyen‏ @hugohanoi 25 Dec 2018
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          Replying to @hugohanoi @NickSzabo4 and

          @NickSzabo4 how do you think Bitcoin's transition to a fee-driven model will impact security? given that fees are a lot less predictable than a fixed supply/fixed inflation schedule?

          1 reply 0 retweets 9 likes
        6. Dypto Du Rrency‏ @DyptoDurrency 25 Dec 2018
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          Replying to @hugohanoi @NickSzabo4 and

          And how you think that transition will impact the set of unusable UTXOs or 'dust' created by rising tx fees?

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        7. Ben Westgate‏ @BenWestgate_ 26 Dec 2018
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          Replying to @DyptoDurrency @hugohanoi and

          After schnorr signatures the dust can be spent with larger UTXOs in the wallet without spending more fee than the dust is worth. But unspendable outputs are great for raising the value of everyone else’s coins a little.

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        1. JA‏ @jealdor 24 Dec 2018
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @bitcoinpasada and

          In turn, Bitcoin now allows people to observe the nature of money more deeply as its properties emerge organically in real time. This is an advantage over traditional economist thought.

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        1. ChangeNOW‏ @ChangeNOW_io 26 Dec 2018
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @bitcoinpasada and

          This is a very smart move. Money is a tool for exchanging goods and services, above all else, and researching the very essence of money before developing your own is crucial.

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        2. zawy‏ @zawy3 26 Dec 2018
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          Replying to @TokenHash @NickSzabo4 and

          Food was the first money. Alpha male getting first choice is a little like taxation.

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        1. Andrés B. Munaretto‏ @am_benitez 25 Dec 2018
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @TuurDemeester and

          @hugonbag

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        2. BitcoinTina ☣️- "TINA" (There is no Alternative)‏ @BitcoinTina 24 Dec 2018
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @bitcoinpasada and

          When people say there is not use case for #Bitcoin they has zero understanding of the value of its security/not being confiscatable and trust minimized properties. That is actually quite laughable.

          2 replies 1 retweet 8 likes
        3. FF2K  🌞 🔑‏ @fartface2000 24 Dec 2018
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          Replying to @BitcoinTina @NickSzabo4 and

          People don’t know what they don’t know, if it’s all we think it could be they will learn.

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        1. .‏ @654288759987mg 26 Dec 2018
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @TuurDemeester and

          He almost said it.

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        2. JW Weatherman | mathbot.com‏ @JWWeatherman_ 24 Dec 2018
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @bitcoinpasada and

          The Austrian agreement was simply that something can’t be used as money before it has a market value. I’m sure if Rothbard was alive he wouldn’t have struggled with something could develop a market value due to its surprisingly useful properties (as money).

          2 replies 0 retweets 12 likes
        3. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 24 Dec 2018
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          Replying to @JWWeatherman_ @bitcoinpasada and

          People can have foresight and foresee that some things make much better money than others. Especially true today when money has long been a specialized product. Much harder to foresee during the origins of money (OTOH there were no actual spot market prices back then either).

          1 reply 0 retweets 11 likes
        4.  ☣surferjim ☣‏ @surferjimw 24 Dec 2018
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          Very interesting discussion guys. Thanks for sharing

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