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    1. Justin Moon‏ @_JustinMoon_ 23 Dec 2018
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      Why is it that cryptographers made so much more money off Bitcoin than Austrian economists did?

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    2. Ruminative Orangutan‏ @Ruminorang 23 Dec 2018
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      I think @NickSzabo4 has answered this one. The design space in computer science was so much greater than in the word of politics

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    3. Justin Moon‏ @_JustinMoon_ 23 Dec 2018
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      This doesn't explain why so many cryptographers HODLed Bitcoin and so few Austrians did

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      Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 24 Dec 2018
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      Replying to @_JustinMoon_ @Ruminorang

      Most Austrian economists, like economists generally, operate at a layer of society's "protocol stack" that assumes security is already solved. But it was security/trust minimization that had to be solved to provide sound money not dependent on government for its security.

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        2. bitcoinpasada ⚡‏ @bitcoinpasada 24 Dec 2018
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          I can explain this: Rothbard, speaking in rather broad theoretical terms, said that money arises from goods that have commodity trading value. It was thought by many Austrians looking at Bitcoin early on that with no commodity price, it could have no monetary value.

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        3. bitcoinpasada ⚡‏ @bitcoinpasada 24 Dec 2018
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          I remember the debate very well since I sided with Rothbard on this point and didn't buy any Bitcoin in 2010.

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        4. bitcoinpasada ⚡‏ @bitcoinpasada 24 Dec 2018
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          To put it simply, that interpretation requires a "base trading price" for the commodity upon which a money price can be based. It was believed that without this "base price" Bitcoin would be impossible to price. Now we understand that yes it's hard to price but it is not zero.

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        5. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 24 Dec 2018
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          Yes this was always a fallacious argument that comes from taking economic theories too dogmatically. It's like arguing that an insurance contract can't be useful as an insurance contract until it's useful for something more concrete, say generating power or growing food.

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        6. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 24 Dec 2018
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @bitcoinpasada and

          It also helped me, when designing bit gold, that I studied the actual archeology and ethnography of the origins of money, and knew that money or something very much like it rose millenia before the dawn of spot commodity markets and widely respected property rights.

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        7. bitcoinpasada ⚡‏ @bitcoinpasada 24 Dec 2018
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          Would love to know any sources you might remember off hand on this topic of the origins of money. Thanks.

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        2. Eric Voskuil‏ @evoskuil 25 Dec 2018
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          This is precisely why even Austrian economists continue to produce bogus analysis of Bitcoin. The most prominent error being the idea that Bitcoin will operate as a global reserve currency, essentially backing the existing financial system. Bitcoin is a new security model.

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        3. Justin Moon‏ @_JustinMoon_ 25 Dec 2018
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          (Eric writes more about this in libbitcoin wiki)https://github.com/libbitcoin/libbitcoin-system/wiki/Reserve-Currency-Fallacy …

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        2. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 24 Dec 2018
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          Alas most crypto startups also tacitly make poor security assumptions: it's secure if our biz controls it; if we get hacked call the cops. This has been & will be a source of ongoing struggle, as the dominant value add of crypto remains trust minimization not any other features.

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        1. bitcoinpasada ⚡‏ @bitcoinpasada 24 Dec 2018
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          This precisely. This is why my Twitter profile says that Bitcoin is making the Austrian School great again!

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        2. Colin Goltra‏ @Goltra 25 Dec 2018
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @_JustinMoon_ @Ruminorang

          Do you think that there is a cultural argument to be made at all? Cryptographers are probably more experimental as it relates to owning and holding cryptocurrency from the beginning whereas Economists would be inherently more risk averse to storing meaningful funds in early days.

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        3. Michael Tozoni‏ @Rassah 25 Dec 2018
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          Replying to @Goltra @NickSzabo4 and

          Depends on the economists. I am one, I evaluated Bitcoin from an economics and business aspect very early on, and as a result decided that the risk of not investing was way greater than the risk of loss. I actually saw it as a "sure thing" and moved all my savings into it in 2011

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        4. Michael Tozoni‏ @Rassah 25 Dec 2018
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          From my experience with economists, it seems to have more to do with them being too unwilling to adapt to new information. At the time one of the biggest complaints was that bitcoin can't become money due to regression theorem, despite game currencies already proving it wrong.

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        1. Matt Siravo  🐻‏ @matt_siravo 24 Dec 2018
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          We're all Austrian now!!!pic.twitter.com/7TRYFoDDKT

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        1. Miguel Cuneta‏ @MiguelCuneta 25 Dec 2018
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          It's probably also because cyptographers can grasp economics easier than economists can grasp cryptography. One is a broad subject while the other is very specific.

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