It will never stop being funny that while most coins furiously debate PoW vs. PoS decentralization metrics or whether the marginal cost of staking will mimic the cost of mining, one coin just went "Uhm what? Burning energy? Staking? We just use a list lol." - and that coin is #2.
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Replying to @ercwl
"The list" method is far "better" than PoW or PoS, many PoW advocates do not doubt that. Its just not unique when compared to traditional electronic financial architecture.
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+1. And not censorship resistant at all.
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Replying to @giacomozucco @BitMEXResearch
The XRP argument is that censorship is detectable in practice and community suspicion of offending validators would lead to UNL removal. Through this lens I would say XRP faces a UNL coordination challenge, but not necessarily a censorship challenge.
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If so they are again grossly abusing the term "community". Most communities (as a group of people who actually regularly communicate with each other) aren't much restrained when it comes to censoring transactions in their favor against those of people outside their community.
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Bitcoin both (a) makes it very difficult to censor (requiring a risky and expensive fork among disparate miner and node stakeholders), and (b) backs that up with a strong ideology of immutability. XRP AFAIK falls far short on both these counts.
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Yes, and I think the Ethereum DAO hardfork (ETH censoring the DAO hacker, ETC choosing not to) highlights that censorship is at its core a concern resolved by ideology & coordination and not technology.
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Strong censorship resistance requires both: a strong ideology and a protocol that makes it as hard as possible violate that ideology in particular cases where minds may be changed, like Ulysses tying himself to the mast.
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I certainly agree that if the coordination problem appears when you *want* to censor (as in ETH's case) and not when you want to avoid it is hugely beneficial. I think Vitalik's writeup about designing coordination problems to act in your favor was good. https://vitalik.ca/general/2017/05/08/coordination_problems.html …
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Replying to @ercwl @NickSzabo4 and
The main contention here (if I'm to speak for XRP) is that it isn't clear which technology is better for that. XRP fans (or atleast
@JoelKatz) seems to believe that XRP is less inclined to censorship since it's detectable (you can pinpoint who's doing it).https://gigabitether.net/2018/06/19/censorship-and-censorship-resistance/ …2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
It also tells people who want to censor who is against censorship: the political pressure can work both ways. It's a few insiders who generally are going to decide in their own favor and against outsiders they don't know or don't like (as actual communities generally do).
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