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Blockchain, cryptocurrency, and smart contracts pioneer. (RT/Fav/Follow does not imply endorsement). Blog: http://unenumerated.blogspot.com 

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    1. Eric Wall IS RIGHT‏ @ercwl 1 Dec 2018
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      It will never stop being funny that while most coins furiously debate PoW vs. PoS decentralization metrics or whether the marginal cost of staking will mimic the cost of mining, one coin just went "Uhm what? Burning energy? Staking? We just use a list lol." - and that coin is #2.

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    2. BitMEX Research‏ @BitMEXResearch 2 Dec 2018
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      "The list" method is far "better" than PoW or PoS, many PoW advocates do not doubt that. Its just not unique when compared to traditional electronic financial architecture.

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    3. Giacomo Zucco [I identify as a -e^iπ vampire]‏ @giacomozucco 2 Dec 2018
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      +1. And not censorship resistant at all.

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    4. Eric Wall IS RIGHT‏ @ercwl 2 Dec 2018
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      Replying to @giacomozucco @BitMEXResearch

      The XRP argument is that censorship is detectable in practice and community suspicion of offending validators would lead to UNL removal. Through this lens I would say XRP faces a UNL coordination challenge, but not necessarily a censorship challenge.

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    5. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 2 Dec 2018
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      Replying to @ercwl @giacomozucco @BitMEXResearch

      If so they are again grossly abusing the term "community". Most communities (as a group of people who actually regularly communicate with each other) aren't much restrained when it comes to censoring transactions in their favor against those of people outside their community.

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      Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 2 Dec 2018
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      Replying to @NickSzabo4 @ercwl and

      Bitcoin both (a) makes it very difficult to censor (requiring a risky and expensive fork among disparate miner and node stakeholders), and (b) backs that up with a strong ideology of immutability. XRP AFAIK falls far short on both these counts.

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        2. Eric Wall IS RIGHT‏ @ercwl 2 Dec 2018
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @giacomozucco @BitMEXResearch

          Yes, and I think the Ethereum DAO hardfork (ETH censoring the DAO hacker, ETC choosing not to) highlights that censorship is at its core a concern resolved by ideology & coordination and not technology.

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        3. Eric Wall IS RIGHT‏ @ercwl 2 Dec 2018
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          Eric Wall IS RIGHT Retweeted Eric Wall IS RIGHT

          Arguably the BTC community has the strongest immutability preference, but I would really be interested to hear how far reaching you think this should be. Specifically, I think this poll question (rescuing a >1M BTC Liquid federation) is a good litmus test.https://twitter.com/ercwl/status/1051861849422143488?s=19 …

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          Eric Wall IS RIGHT @ercwl
          While I have no reason to expect that anything should go wrong with the contract, it still begs the question: if the contract held, say ~14% of all BTC in circulation (2.4M BTC) same as the ETH DAO, and a bug would freeze the funds in the contract. What would you do?
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        4. Prof. Hash‏ @hashamadeus 2 Dec 2018
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          Replying to @ercwl @NickSzabo4 and

          If the Liquid sidechain is somehow broken and new blocks are not signed for a period of time (4 weeks i think), then the timelock expires and BTC is restored.

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        5. Eric Wall IS RIGHT‏ @ercwl 2 Dec 2018
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          Replying to @hashamadeus @NickSzabo4 and

          Yes, but the poll is about the case where there's a bug preventing that.

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        6. JW Weatherman | mathbot.com‏ @JWWeatherman_ 3 Dec 2018
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          Replying to @ercwl @hashamadeus and

          If Liquid holds more funds than would otherwise be held in an exchange it does weaken the security of bitcoin. It is an attempt to improve custody, but it remains custodial. But if an exchange, or a group of exchanges (Liquid) bust we cannot sacrifice secure money to save it.

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        7. JW Weatherman | mathbot.com‏ @JWWeatherman_ 3 Dec 2018
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          Replying to @JWWeatherman_ @ercwl and

          However it wouldn’t surprise anyone if a major exchange hack resulted in a hardfork. But smart money would continue to bet on the secure chain as it did SW2X and Bcash. The problem with Eth is that it’s composed of people already betting against the most secure money.

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        1. Matt Hamilton‏ @HammerToe 2 Dec 2018
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @ercwl and

          Care to expand on how you think it falls short on both? The only main advantage i see PoW having is you could make assumption on the integrity of a *single* copy of the chain. With XRP you need multiple. Though reality is on a distributed system you would always have multiple.

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        1. NT  ☣‏ @CryptoN_T 2 Dec 2018
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @ercwl and

          NT  ☣ Retweeted NT  ☣

          https://twitter.com/CryptoN_T/status/1057057074365034498?s=19 …

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          "validators are chosen based on the expectation they will not collude in a coordinated effort to falsify data relayed to the network" sounds like there's alot of trust going on in ripple labs, I mean XRP.
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        2. Matt Hamilton‏ @HammerToe 2 Dec 2018
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @ercwl and

          From my understanding censorship is easier on Bitcoin as the miner assembling the block at the time has complete freedom to exclude txns (cf empty blocks). Not possible with consensus on XRP.

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        3. zender  🛡‏ @zndtoshi 2 Dec 2018
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          Replying to @HammerToe @NickSzabo4 and

          censorship is easier on XRP because there is a small number of UNL nodes that can collude or be controlled. In Bitcoin only one miner can chose to mine empty blocks at his expense. While the tx would just go in the next block if another miner mines it.

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        1. BCH/BSV-are-scams‏ @fairness2all 2 Dec 2018
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @ercwl and

          But muh new narrative. "Miners destroyed the earth"pic.twitter.com/UoPLkFNG1o

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