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    1. Ruminative Orangutan‏ @Ruminorang 5 Nov 2018
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      I feel like that summary better matches my conception than yours. You’re positing that non-money properties are vital

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    2. Weiße Rose‏ @7heAbolitionist 5 Nov 2018
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      Actually, the original post ended on the contrary: "However, the good news is that it is a technology, & can achieve utility post hoc." Non-money properties is vital..in the long run. Government fiats existed for a long time, but none survive the long run.

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    3. Ruminative Orangutan‏ @Ruminorang 5 Nov 2018
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      But this could be neatly explained by the incentives to inflate in fiat systems. I don’t see how utilitarian uses of gold versus fiat obviously contribute here

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    4. Weiße Rose‏ @7heAbolitionist 5 Nov 2018
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      what could? fiats fail because of inflation & therefore irrelevant to bitcoin?

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    5. Ruminative Orangutan‏ @Ruminorang 5 Nov 2018
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      Aren’t you saying fiats fail because they lack non-money properties? My response would be they fail because they lack any restraint on supply, and the allure of inflation is too great for governments

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    6. Weiße Rose‏ @7heAbolitionist 5 Nov 2018
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      No, they have decent moneyable properties as good as gold K fair since historically that's how we see them continually failing, but in reality, their value becomes marginalized by competition & they are forced to print or lose monetary power But if we ignore that it still fails

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    7. Weiße Rose‏ @7heAbolitionist 5 Nov 2018
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      It fails because there are no economic calculations without utility outside of a MoE. Man can rationalize more efficiently; marginalize its value against all other goods with every different utility the good has. What should the objective purchasing power of $1 dollar be?

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    8. Weiße Rose‏ @7heAbolitionist 5 Nov 2018
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      Who the hell knows. Its value is made up. You can't marginalize a fiat against anything. 1 Bitcoin? is that a months rent? A lambo? A tropical island? What's an ounce of gold? It's a necklace, it's 20 gold teeth, it's 10 yards of wiring, it's the plating for a sink, etc.

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    9. Ruminative Orangutan‏ @Ruminorang 5 Nov 2018
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      Yeah but what’s a necklace? Purely social value, no utility. And most high value uses of gold are of this kind. Pretty trinkets

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    10. Ruminative Orangutan‏ @Ruminorang 5 Nov 2018
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      I think gold was well established as money before it was used for anything really utilitarian, like wiring or plating. It was mostly for adornments which are just abstracted social value put in an object for public display

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      Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 5 Nov 2018
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      A great variety of things besides gold have been stores of value and media of wealth transfer. You correctly suggested what the best ones have in common, a trust-minimzied "restraint on supply." (They also tended to be compact to protect against theft). https://nakamotoinstitute.org/shelling-out/ 

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        2. Weiße Rose‏ @7heAbolitionist 5 Nov 2018
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          You believe value is stored in things?

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        3. Weiße Rose‏ @7heAbolitionist 5 Nov 2018
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          It's inside the computer!pic.twitter.com/b8f2YXX2dp

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