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Blockchain, cryptocurrency, and smart contracts pioneer. (RT/Fav/Follow does not imply endorsement). Blog: http://unenumerated.blogspot.com 

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    1. Karen Kommerce @Devcon5‏ @cryptoecongames 11 Oct 2018
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      Your contention is 'international law governs blockchain'? How is copyright law relevant? How is jurisdiction choice relevant? None of it is international law. Congratulations, you've just demonstrated that you know nothing about: 1. Law 2. International law 3. How laws work

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    2. CleanApp‏ @CleanApp 11 Oct 2018
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      You're in good company -->pic.twitter.com/cZydeD0IPm

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    3. CleanApp‏ @CleanApp 11 Oct 2018
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      We talk about this in the blog -- the fascinating way in which the fiat nature of #CryptoLaw mirrors declarative/fiat theory of statehood. Your "natural law" framework would probably get near supermajority support among crypto devs - FWIW. Just a hunch.

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    4. Karen Kommerce @Devcon5‏ @cryptoecongames 11 Oct 2018
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      Replying to @CleanApp @Fake_Name1234 and

      Just leave international law out of it. And law. Talk about natural law and jurisprudence (if qualified) - and qualify further from actual experience, not citing a bunch of textbooks without the context of understanding.

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    5. CleanApp‏ @CleanApp 11 Oct 2018
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      Replying to @cryptoecongames @Fake_Name1234 and

      (1) Sorry, @cryptoecongames, wasn't us who put "Law" into "CryptoLaw." That was Gav Wood in http://yellowpaper.io  & the folks who embraced @NickSzabo4's fast & lose approach to Legalese. We've been clear since the start: *crypto* should've left "law out of it" & stayed a-legal.

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    6. Vitalik Non-giver of Ether‏Verified account @VitalikButerin 13 Oct 2018
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      To be clear, at this point I quite regret adopting the term "smart contracts". I should have called them something more boring and technical, perhaps something like "persistent scripts".

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    7. Vitalik Non-giver of Ether‏Verified account @VitalikButerin 13 Oct 2018
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      Replying to @VitalikButerin @CleanApp and

      I do think that persistent scripts controlling assets compete with the legal system on some margins, but so do locks on doors. So IMO it's wrong to equate them with a specific philosophy of law privatization.

      6 replies 8 retweets 57 likes
    8. Karen Kommerce @Devcon5‏ @cryptoecongames 13 Oct 2018
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      Replying to @VitalikButerin @CleanApp and

      It's a contract from a game theory/economics POV, that enforces co-operation and consequences - not a legal POV. I say that as a lawyer down the game theory rabbit hole.

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    9. Catalina Goanta‏ @CatalinaGoanta 14 Oct 2018
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      Replying to @cryptoecongames @VitalikButerin and

      🤦🏻‍♀️the name is irrelevant. A contract = offer+acceptance+intention to be legally bound in most jurisdictions out there. If these 3 conditions are met, anything is a contract, you can even call it mana. (Also the game theory part coexists with the law, doesn’t replace/remove it)

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      Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 14 Oct 2018
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      Replying to @CatalinaGoanta @cryptoecongames and

      Since lawyers think in analogy you should also become familiar with its cousin metaphor. Smart Ks aren't trying to create legal binding, they are doing by other means important functions formerly done by trad contracts (e.g. controlling assets and incentivizing performance).

      9:23 PM - 14 Oct 2018
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        1. Drew Hinkes‏ @propelforward 15 Oct 2018
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @CatalinaGoanta and

          the trick then is to convince folks to use them that way... the big push from a marketing perspective has been to use them as a substitute for fully fleshed out, binding contracts.

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        1. Catalina Goanta‏ @CatalinaGoanta 15 Oct 2018
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @cryptoecongames and

          The function approach is a great idea. Then I guess it depends on what the sc is written for. So maybe for some sc’s, the legal label should be that of a juridical act: eg. transferring value is a juridical act whose consequence is modifying patrimonies (eg donation).

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        1. philthy‏ @philthyphil83 15 Oct 2018
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          @NickSzabo4 it should be you who debates @Nouriel

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