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Blockchain, cryptocurrency, and smart contracts pioneer. (RT/Fav/Follow does not imply endorsement). Blog: http://unenumerated.blogspot.com 

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    1. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 14 Oct 2018
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      Worrying about whether a smart contract is "legally enforceable" reflects a profound misunderstanding. The main relation of smart Ks to traditional courts is that smart Ks control burden of lawsuit. If "possession is 90% of the law", then a good smart K may be "99% of the law".

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    2. CleanApp‏ @CleanApp 14 Oct 2018
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      Replying to @NickSzabo4

      It shows a profound misunderstanding of what? Also not clear how Rothbardian property law/theory analogies to “9/10ths” presumptions in property disputes are apposite here? Please explain/clarify.

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    3.  ☣️ tmornini [ ⚡️/Bitcoin ⩬ TCP/IP]‏ @tmornini 14 Oct 2018
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      I think his meaning is quite clear: Since smart contracts automatically execute, the liability of legal non-enforceability is overbalanced by their inherent avoidance the legal system to as high a degree as possible.

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    4. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 14 Oct 2018
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      Indeed, there are many contexts e.g. cross-border financial deals between individuals, in which the costs of legal recourse are usually prohibitive -- the burden of lawsuit outweighs the ex ante (and often even ex-post) benefit of its use to incentivize performance.

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    5. CleanApp‏ @CleanApp 14 Oct 2018
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      Replying to @NickSzabo4 @tmornini

      First, it’s nice to see a “usually” reappear amidst the sea of categorical imperatives. Second, to make sure we’re on the same page regarding “burden of lawsuit,” we offer this:https://medium.com/cryptolawreview/how-expensive-was-your-last-refund-dispute-with-target-or-another-big-box-retailer-when-you-70d41ab474ba …

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    6. CleanApp‏ @CleanApp 14 Oct 2018
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      Replying to @CleanApp @NickSzabo4 @tmornini

      Third, how does “smart contract” lower the “cost of enforcement” exactly? Thus far, the conceptual engine that’s doing this sounds like the following: “Smart Ks hyper-incentivize bilateral performance, so that, statistically, non-performance is reduced to *just* 1% of the time!”

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    7.  ☠l̶̫͚̍̃͊́͐e̷̛̊́x̸-̴́̿n̷̛̜̣̥͛̋͛̓ǒ̶̾̿̒͂̈́̍d̸͛̔̀̽ë̵́ ☠‏ @lex_node 14 Oct 2018
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      Replying to @CleanApp @NickSzabo4 @tmornini

      It lowers the cost of enforcement because the assets flow based on the code--thus, going to court is less likely to be necessary for the party that ends up with asset possession. As Nick mentioned, cross-border deals (+ very low $ value deals) are one area where this could help.

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    8. CleanApp‏ @CleanApp 14 Oct 2018
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      Replying to @lex_node @NickSzabo4 @tmornini

      We hear you, but “going to court less likely” sounds an awful lot like “legal enforcement” in those cases where it will still be done. So, “legal enforcement” is not eliminated but “minimized” — but how? Right now, the “answers” are anecdotal examples of “high risk” transactions.

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    9. CleanApp‏ @CleanApp 14 Oct 2018
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      What’s the methodology for approaching “breach-minimization” (flip side of “performance hyper-incentivization)—?

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    10.  ☠l̶̫͚̍̃͊́͐e̷̛̊́x̸-̴́̿n̷̛̜̣̥͛̋͛̓ǒ̶̾̿̒͂̈́̍d̸͛̔̀̽ë̵́ ☠‏ @lex_node 14 Oct 2018
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      *sigh* sealioning + concern trolling with a nice dash of shilling added in. I think we're done here. Good luck elsewhere.

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      Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 14 Oct 2018
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      Replying to @lex_node @CleanApp @tmornini

      Yup I mute @CleanApp long ago. Word-salad gibberish.

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        2. CleanApp‏ @CleanApp 16 Oct 2018
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @lex_node @tmornini

          Enjoy the salad; main course coming right up.https://medium.com/@cleanapp/whys-szabo-afraid-of-smart-contract-critiques-669ef9e63fc0 …

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        3. Daniel "not giving away GoldmanTokens" Goldman‏ @DZack23 16 Oct 2018
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          I’m full

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        4. CleanApp‏ @CleanApp 16 Oct 2018
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          Replying to @DZack23 @NickSzabo4 and

          You know you want the main course, you’ll say you hate it; you’ll leave a 1-star Yelp review; but you’ll eat it bc if you’re in crypto, you’re always intellectually hungry. Just goes with the territory. We get it. You do you. If even a bite is absorbed, that’s better than before.

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        5. Daniel "not giving away GoldmanTokens" Goldman‏ @DZack23 17 Oct 2018
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          I don't expect to hate it! Just that 23 minutes is quite a big salad is all. Might take the check and come back tomorrow.

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        1. CleanApp‏ @CleanApp 14 Oct 2018
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @lex_node @tmornini

          Weak.

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        2. CleanApp‏ @CleanApp 17 Oct 2018
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          Replying to @TokenHash @NickSzabo4 and

          Yeah, sure; but better to pay these mental costs and mental dues now, rather than later, when the costs of sloppy Legalese will be far more material.

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        3.  ☣️ tmornini [ ⚡️/Bitcoin ⩬ TCP/IP]‏ @tmornini 17 Oct 2018
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          Do you honestly believe that what these things we currently call “smart contracts” are named is going to change the outcome in a significant way?

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        4. CleanApp‏ @CleanApp 17 Oct 2018
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          Separately from regaining regulatory runways that crypto *severely* tightened for *itself* (voluntarily, unnecessarily, inexplicably) — moving away from Legalese also makes for much more cogent internal logics.

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        5. CleanApp‏ @CleanApp 17 Oct 2018
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          Replying to @CleanApp @tmornini and

          Take Ethereum Whitepaper, for example, & replace each mention of the word “contract” & “smart contract” with “Alpha” or “Dog” or whatever other non-Legalese term — and re-read. Same for Yellowpaper, Mauve Paper, Polkadot Paper, every technical blockchain doc. MUCH clearer.

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