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    1. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 14 Oct 2018
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      Nick Szabo  🔑 Retweeted Timón

      "Smart contract" is a very useful concept & phrase. "Smart" as in "smart phone" (shorthand for computerized phone), "contract" meaning it does some important things we previously relied on contracts to do for our deals, especially controlling assets & incentivizing performance.https://twitter.com/timoncc/status/1051420695488552960 …

      Nick Szabo  🔑 added,

      Timón @timoncc
      Replying to @BitcoinErrorLog @VitalikButerin and 6 others
      I find atomic swaps ir lightning payment channels pretty smart, and quite similar to a traditional contract, just with no law or judge beyond the blockchain's.
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    2. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 14 Oct 2018
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      That said, if your dApp/persistent script doesn't control assets or, short of invoking traditional law, incentivize performance, it's not a smart contract and you should call it something else.

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    3. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 14 Oct 2018
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      Worrying about whether a smart contract is "legally enforceable" reflects a profound misunderstanding. The main relation of smart Ks to traditional courts is that smart Ks control burden of lawsuit. If "possession is 90% of the law", then a good smart K may be "99% of the law".

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    4. MyCryptoDad‏ @MyCryptoDad 14 Oct 2018
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      Agreed, a quality smart contract is created with self enforcement. The whole point is the elimination of the 3rd party.

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    5. CleanApp‏ @CleanApp 14 Oct 2018
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      You can’t have “self enforcement” — that’s an oxymoron.https://medium.com/cryptolawreview/crypto-maximalism-robocops-d3c24af606f9 …

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    6. MyCryptoDad‏ @MyCryptoDad 14 Oct 2018
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      Probably need a better term but it's basically the elimination of enforcement, by nature of the contract.

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    7. CleanApp‏ @CleanApp 14 Oct 2018
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      You can’t eliminate enforcement; if you do, the thing ceases to be a contract. (K = an en-force-able agreement between two or more parties).

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    8. Adam David Long‏ @adamdavidlong 14 Oct 2018
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      Replying to @CleanApp @MyCryptoDad @NickSzabo4

      I might suggest “self-executing” rather than “self-enforcing”

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      Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 14 Oct 2018
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      Replying to @adamdavidlong @CleanApp @MyCryptoDad

      I distinguish between verifying (and thus, in combination with control of assets, incentivizing) performance, and automating performance. A vending machine, for example, verifies the user's perf (did user input a sufficient sum of money?) and automates the vendors' perf.

      4:44 PM - 14 Oct 2018
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        2. Adam David Long‏ @adamdavidlong 14 Oct 2018
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          1/ Yes fair enough and makes sense to address these different elements separately. I know you have thought of this already, but I would propose that a separate dimension here is how much AUTONOMY/INDEPENDENCE the mechanism has. In the case of the vending machine, I trust

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        3. Adam David Long‏ @adamdavidlong 14 Oct 2018
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          2/ the machine roughly as much as I trust the company that owns it. But take the case of a bond that is supposed to pay out at monthly intervals. Scenario A is that the software "automates performance" but does NOT have much autonomy. So, it's basically an automatic payment

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        4. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 14 Oct 2018
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          Replying to @adamdavidlong @CleanApp @MyCryptoDad

          You can trust the machine somewhat or much more than you trust the company if (a) it's made all of clear plastic & you or someone you trust has skill to examine its workings (analogous to public code on a blockchain), or (b) you can observe it often working for others, or both.

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        2. CleanApp‏ @CleanApp 14 Oct 2018
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @adamdavidlong @MyCryptoDad

          If your conception of “smart contract” is now about maximizing % of performance (internal compliance pulls, etc.) then just call it that. Drop the references to “enforcement” altogether. Is that what you’re saying?pic.twitter.com/40n0mMBGST

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        3. Adam David Long‏ @adamdavidlong 14 Oct 2018
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          1/ I read "enforcement" here to mean "recourse to a lawsuit in a court." The point is that if a smart contract is properly constructed then performance will -- usually -- be automatic, and so, relative to a traditional contract, it is far less likely that either party will

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        4. Adam David Long‏ @adamdavidlong 14 Oct 2018
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          2/ have need to "enforce" the contract, i.e. bring a lawsuit against the other, and/or arbitrate a claim. So, this means that "enforcement costs" i.e., costs of preparing for and managing a lawsuit will, overall drop significantly.

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        5. CleanApp‏ @CleanApp 17 Oct 2018
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          CleanApp Retweeted Adam David Long

          We hear you, Adam -- the key question isn't just "performance incentivization" but as your own thread points out (+ "autonomy"/"ind."), there are no theories on the exact mechanisms of action by which this "breach minimization" is supposed to occur.https://twitter.com/adamdavidlong/status/1051678234088095744 …

          CleanApp added,

          Adam David Long @adamdavidlong
          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @CleanApp @MyCryptoDad
          1/ Yes fair enough and makes sense to address these different elements separately. I know you have thought of this already, but I would propose that a separate dimension here is how much AUTONOMY/INDEPENDENCE the mechanism has. In the case of the vending machine, I trust
          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        6. CleanApp‏ @CleanApp 17 Oct 2018
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          CleanApp Retweeted CleanApp

          We're asking the same exact thing that you are, how exactly do "smart contracts" maximize performance, minimize breach? What are the methodologies for analyzing that? Please note the deafening silence at the end of your thread, and ours. That's telling.https://twitter.com/CleanApp/status/1051683665959415809 …

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          CleanApp @CleanApp
          Replying to @CleanApp @lex_node and 2 others
          What’s the methodology for approaching “breach-minimization” (flip side of “performance hyper-incentivization)—?
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        7. Adam David Long‏ @adamdavidlong 17 Oct 2018
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          1/ So, ok, I'll take give you my take, fwiw. Imagine two worlds, "regular world" and "smart contracts world." In regular world, the carpenters use regular contracts for the renovation jobs. And, some percentage of the time, say 10%, the customer doesn't pay, and so

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        8. Adam David Long‏ @adamdavidlong 17 Oct 2018
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          2/ the carpenter's only option is to "enforce" the contract by bringing a lawsuit or arbitration. Now, contrast that with "smart contracts world." In Smart Contracts world, every time customer hires a carpenter, the money gets put into escrow controlled by the smart contract.

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        9. Adam David Long‏ @adamdavidlong 17 Oct 2018
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          3/ and when the job is done, then the SMART CONTRACT pays the carpenter. [LOTS of technical issues that I am skipping over here -- how, for example, does the smart contract verify that the job was done, but I'm tabling those for now]. Now, in Smart Contracts World there are

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