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    1. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 17 Aug 2018
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      Replying to @distributedbit @pwuille and

      Knowing makes you less vulnerable if you have the capability to respond, e.g. by finding other correct nodes and maintaining your own un-attacked fork.

      3 replies 0 retweets 8 likes
    2. ᴅɪꜱᴛʀɪʙᴜᴛᴇᴅ ʙɪᴛ  ⛓️ 💵‏ @distributedbit 17 Aug 2018
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      Replying to @NickSzabo4 @pwuille and

      But there is nothing invalid about a chain that has been re-orged, miners will be economically incentivised to mine on the longest (re-orged) chain.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    3. Eric Voskuil‏ @evoskuil 17 Aug 2018
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      Replying to @distributedbit @NickSzabo4 and

      Right, knowing about a 51% attack doesn’t change anything. Miners are not required by consensus rules to build on the blocks of other miners.

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    4. ᴅɪꜱᴛʀɪʙᴜᴛᴇᴅ ʙɪᴛ  ⛓️ 💵‏ @distributedbit 17 Aug 2018
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      Replying to @evoskuil @NickSzabo4 and

      I am not sure what you are trying to say here but miners are incentivised to mine on the longest (valid chain) to decrease the likelyhood of their blocks being orphaned

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    5. Pieter Wuille‏ @pwuille 18 Aug 2018
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      Assuming that incentives will make people do the right thing is still an assumption. Without full nodes to hold minors accountable that incentive goes away.

      2 replies 1 retweet 12 likes
    6. ᴅɪꜱᴛʀɪʙᴜᴛᴇᴅ ʙɪᴛ  ⛓️ 💵‏ @distributedbit 18 Aug 2018
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      Replying to @pwuille @evoskuil and

      Agreed. I am talking about what security diffs a full node vs an SPV node has for an individual actor, not under the assumption that everyone runs SPV. The valid chain is the chain with the most difficulty that still complies with protocol rules.

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    7. Eric Voskuil‏ @evoskuil 18 Aug 2018
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      Replying to @distributedbit @pwuille and

      And an SPV wallet cannot know the rules have been satisfied and therefore cannot know if it is following the chain at all.

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    8. ᴅɪꜱᴛʀɪʙᴜᴛᴇᴅ ʙɪᴛ  ⛓️ 💵‏ @distributedbit 18 Aug 2018
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      Replying to @evoskuil @pwuille and

      Agreed. I am not at all arguing that spv clients can determine whether or not blocks are following the inflation shedule. I am arguing that under the conditions necessary for a miner to inflate the supply like that, a re-org attack can be also done which affects both node types.

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    9. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 18 Aug 2018
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      Replying to @distributedbit @evoskuil and

      The inflation example is silly, if somebody introduced an inflation fork it would very soon be common knowledge and SPV clients could be patched in updates or configured by their users to point to full nodes that run their desired fork.

      2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
    10. Eric Voskuil‏ @evoskuil 18 Aug 2018
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      Replying to @NickSzabo4 @distributedbit and

      So, nodes now require identity. Welcome back to the state-run financial network.

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      Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 18 Aug 2018
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      Replying to @evoskuil @distributedbit and

      I said no such thing. They require a very small degree of reliable social connectivity.

      12:26 AM - 18 Aug 2018
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        2. ᴅɪꜱᴛʀɪʙᴜᴛᴇᴅ ʙɪᴛ  ⛓️ 💵‏ @distributedbit 18 Aug 2018
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @evoskuil and

          So a web of trust based network for spv clients to be notified of blocks that inflate the supply could work.

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        3. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 18 Aug 2018
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          Replying to @distributedbit @evoskuil and

          No that's not what I said.

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        1. Eric Voskuil‏ @evoskuil 18 Aug 2018
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @distributedbit and

          To know what rules they are running requires that you know the operator can be trusted to run the rules you expect. You could of course trust another node operator to rat on an unidentified node operator by yelling on the Internet, but who is he yelling about?

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