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    1. Peter Todd‏ @peterktodd 16 Aug 2018
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      A lot of people have theorized that micropayments have too much cognitive load to be useful. But prior to Lightning there were almost no systems capable of actually testing this in the real world. Possible that Lightning will prove that theory wrong!https://www.coindesk.com/bitcoins-open-secret-lightning-is-making-better-online-payments-possible/ …

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    2. Peter Todd‏ @peterktodd 16 Aug 2018
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      Actually I've been thinking about this the wrong way: from a user's perspective micropayments are already very successful, with huge sums of money being paid that way. Examples: your gas tank, phones, utilities, gambling, etc. Lightning can do all these.

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    3. Peter Todd‏ @peterktodd 16 Aug 2018
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      People hear the Szabo (and others) view that microtransactions are too much cognitive load. But that's a UX challenge, not an insurmountable problem. Unlimited usage billing is nice, but it's *not* the only way to do things. Phone companies make *billions* off microtransactions.

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    4. Peter Todd‏ @peterktodd 16 Aug 2018
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      The challenge for Lightning use-case devs is 1) finding apps that need micropayments in the first place, 2) figuring out a UX that reduces barriers sufficiently to be popular. Easy to imagine those criteria being met with clever UI's that automate/reduce decision making.

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    5. Peter Todd‏ @peterktodd 16 Aug 2018
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      Example: a ad bypass protocol that used your browser history to figure out how many ads you see a month, then suggested a per-month budget to make 90% of those ads go away. The UI turns hundreds of decisions into one, w/ hundreds of micropayments happening in the background.

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    6. Peter Todd‏ @peterktodd 16 Aug 2018
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    7. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 16 Aug 2018
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      Replying to @peterktodd

      These aren't smaller than traditional payments. You've merely redefined "micropayments" to be small consumer pmts, which have worked for centuries & nobody has said won't work, blurring the crucial distinction "micropayments" makes between traditional & smaller-than-trdtnl pmts.

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    8. Peter Todd‏ @peterktodd 16 Aug 2018
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      Replying to @NickSzabo4

      Yes, I'm using a useful definition from the consumers point of view. The fact is once I send a per-msg-billed text message, I *will* end up transfering $ to the phone company to pay for it. From my point of view, that's a microtransaction, implemented via a per-month bill.

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      Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 16 Aug 2018
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      Replying to @peterktodd

      No you are using a meaningless definition which you cannot distinguish from the ambiguous phrase "small payment". I am using a very clear and useful distinguishing definition, and the definition that was universal when I wrote those essays in the 90s.

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        2. Peter Todd‏ @peterktodd 16 Aug 2018
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4

          Useful for what? Writing articles? I care a lot more about definitions useful for UI/UX designers and devs.

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        3. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 16 Aug 2018
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          Replying to @peterktodd

          Useful for knowing and thinking about things, which seems to be in short supply above your neck on this topic. It is not allowed on my timeline to have strong opinions on topics on which you are pig ignorant. Blocked.

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        4. NateDogg‏ @NateDogg024365 16 Aug 2018
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @peterktodd

          I don’t think you guys truly understand how many people in the world enjoy and learn from healthy debates between great minds like yourselves. You guys speak and the world literally becomes more intelligent. I urge you to put differences aside for the benefit of mankind.

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        5. Peter Todd‏ @peterktodd 16 Aug 2018
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          Replying to @NateDogg024365 @NickSzabo4

          Thanks! I kinda understand: https://analytics.twitter.com  :P

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        2. Daniel Rice‏ @thedrbits 16 Aug 2018
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @peterktodd

          For the ignorant, what is the specific definition of "micropayments"?

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        3. Adam David Long‏ @adamdavidlong 16 Aug 2018
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          Replying to @thedrbits @NickSzabo4 @peterktodd

          I think generally the idea was any payment under $1. With IP getting digitized in the 90s, the idea was that IP consumers and producers would benefit. Credit Card costs made small payments cost-prohibitive. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micropayment … is a pretty good summary.

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        4. Daniel Rice‏ @thedrbits 16 Aug 2018
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          Replying to @adamdavidlong @NickSzabo4 @peterktodd

          By this definition is an App Store 99 cent purchase of an app consumable a micropayment?

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        5. Adam David Long‏ @adamdavidlong 16 Aug 2018
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          Replying to @thedrbits @NickSzabo4 @peterktodd

          I would say so, but I'm sure as hell going to defer to @NickSzabo4 who was and is a pioneer in this space. Of course a crucial aspect of the Itunes Store is that is a closed platform, and that is pretty different from the open source vibe of the original micropayment systems.

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        6. Adam David Long‏ @adamdavidlong 16 Aug 2018
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          I think the main idea was "any payment that is small enough that the existing infrastructure, i.e. credit cards, made processing the payment more costly than the value of the transaction." This was when stores commonly had, e.g. a $10 minimum for credit card purchases.

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        1. All Set Jet‏ @all_set_jet 17 Aug 2018
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @peterktodd

          Nick why do u care ?

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