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    1. Peter Todd‏ @peterktodd 15 Aug 2018
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      Though for the record, I would like to see AT&T lose this case, badly. If you design a system based on personal info you damn well should shoulder the liability when you screw it up.

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    2. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 15 Aug 2018
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      Replying to @peterktodd

      Baloney. Their system collects personal info for the purposes of phone billing, not for the purpose of trying to secure a relationship of two strangers trying to pretend they know each other because of said phone number.

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    3. Tuur Demeester‏ @TuurDemeester 15 Aug 2018
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      Replying to @NickSzabo4 @peterktodd

      Agreed. The metaphor in the article seems lacking: all lobbies have signs that say "not responsible for any stolen or lost items". If I leave $25M in jewelry in my room and they get stolen, it seems like a stretch that a judge would hold the hotel liable for the full amount.

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    4. Tuur Demeester‏ @TuurDemeester 15 Aug 2018
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      Replying to @TuurDemeester @NickSzabo4 @peterktodd

      It seems like a lot boils down to defining "reasonable care": https://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/hotel-liability-for-guests-belongings.html …pic.twitter.com/e6QLtUId1h

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    5. Tuur Demeester‏ @TuurDemeester 15 Aug 2018
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      Replying to @TuurDemeester @NickSzabo4 @peterktodd

      In a hotel in the UK, in the case of theft, the hotel owners are liable for up to 100 pounds on aggregate. https://www.thecaterer.com/articles/351234/wake-up-call-are-you-liable-if-your-guest-loses-their-property-in-your-hotel …pic.twitter.com/LoO5d3DmPQ

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    6. Peter Todd‏ @peterktodd 15 Aug 2018
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      Replying to @TuurDemeester @NickSzabo4

      Sounds like that £100 limit was set in 1956, and (as usual) not inflation adjusted. Would be a £2500 limit today, which seems a bit more reasonable.

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    7. Tuur Demeester‏ @TuurDemeester 15 Aug 2018
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      Replying to @peterktodd @NickSzabo4

      Still, means hotel rooms aren't designed to store high value items for their occupants.

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    8. Peter Todd‏ @peterktodd 15 Aug 2018
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      Replying to @TuurDemeester @NickSzabo4

      Sure, but hotels do a good job of warning you about that, and even generally provide alternate measures (look how common safes are).

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    9. Peter Todd‏ @peterktodd 15 Aug 2018
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      Replying to @peterktodd @TuurDemeester @NickSzabo4

      OTOH, if the hotel failed to bolt the safe to the wall - unexpectedly gluing it on instead to drywall with weak glue - I'd hold them liable if the safe was stolen (I actually found exactly this scenario once in Zurich! I noticed because the safe could be picked up easily).

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      Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 15 Aug 2018
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      Indeed attaching a safe securely is very expensive and depending on the architecture and room layout may be impossible.

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        2. Peter Todd‏ @peterktodd 15 Aug 2018
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          ...and a safe being bolted to plywood is an expected and common hazard. A safe being glued to drywall - so weak you can literally pull it off by accident - is not an expected hazard. Thus, I'm happy for the latter to incur liability that the former doesn't.

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        3. Age positive‏ @DraggingEnergy 15 Aug 2018
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          Replying to @peterktodd @NickSzabo4 and

          But where is your personal responsibility for relying on something with poor security?

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        4. Peter Todd‏ @peterktodd 16 Aug 2018
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          Replying to @DraggingEnergy @NickSzabo4 and

          That's precisely my point: in the glued on scenario you have no way of knowing you're going to have poor security because of the negligence of others (arguably even fraud).

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        5. Alrenous‏ @Alrenous 16 Aug 2018
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          Replying to @peterktodd @DraggingEnergy and

          The hotel safe is, epistemically speaking, a presumption of guilt situation. I would not only assume the safe is glued to nothing, but that the hotel has a master key stored in a near-public place. Until proven otherwise.

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        6. Alrenous‏ @Alrenous 16 Aug 2018
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          Replying to @Alrenous @peterktodd and

          No, even that's too optimistic. Assume the safe has a back hatch for 'customer service' which not only has a near-public key, but was accidentally left open.

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