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    1. Peter Todd‏ @peterktodd 7 Aug 2018
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      Being for freedom of speech is a very eglitarian viewpoint: when the average person can detect and dismiss bullshit for the good of all, free speech works. Being against that sounds like you're saying you think the average person isn't smart enough to think for themselves.

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    2. Peter Todd‏ @peterktodd 7 Aug 2018
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      Alex Jones has something like 1% of the US population as viewers. Asking for him and his viewers to be deplatformed sounds like saying those 1% don't deserve to be a part of society. Make sure you actually want to say that, before you say that.

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    3. Joe Ortenzi  🇨🇦  🇮🇹  🇦🇺‏ @wheelyweb 8 Aug 2018
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      Replying to @peterktodd @provoost

      Deplatforming him on one channel doesn’t deplatform his viewers. Nothing at all happens to them other than they go elsewhere to see him. If he hosted his own vids on his own server there’d be no access issues. Make sure you’re making a logical premise before you press send.

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    4. Sjors Provoost‏ @provoost 8 Aug 2018
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      Replying to @wheelyweb @peterktodd

      Then why were those viewers not using his website in the first place? Censorship is all about adding barriers, not about perfect silencing. Study authoritarian regimes before becoming an anti-free-speech apologist.

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    5. Joe Ortenzi  🇨🇦  🇮🇹  🇦🇺‏ @wheelyweb 8 Aug 2018
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      By your logic, remembering that Facebook and twitter are businesses, if I, as a news channel owner, decide I don’t want your content on my channel, I’m censoring you?

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    6. Sjors Provoost‏ @provoost 8 Aug 2018
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      Replying to @wheelyweb @peterktodd

      Yes you are. When your platform is large enough your choices impact free speech, something that goes way beyond* 1st amendment. That's an externality society needs to hold you accountable for, just like dumping toxic waste. * e.g. online lynch mobs also threaten free speech

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    7. Joe Ortenzi  🇨🇦  🇮🇹  🇦🇺‏ @wheelyweb 8 Aug 2018
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      Replying to @provoost @peterktodd

      Sorry. Doesn’t look like you’re Interested in logical discourse. By your logic you have a right to commandeer screen time and are censored if you are blocked from it.

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    8. Sjors Provoost‏ @provoost 8 Aug 2018
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      Replying to @wheelyweb @peterktodd

      That's the second time you're pretending me and @peterktodd are not using rational arguments, and also the second time you're using the "by your logic" non-sequitor. It strongly suggest you're arguing in bad faith.

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      Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 8 Aug 2018
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      Replying to @provoost @wheelyweb @peterktodd

      Nick Szabo  🔑 Retweeted Nick Szabo  🔑

      Got no time for people who turn debate into insults like that, I blocked him. BTW here is a libertarian property rights argument for making the deplatforming of long users illegal:https://twitter.com/NickSzabo4/status/1027084880415313922 …

      Nick Szabo  🔑 added,

      Nick Szabo  🔑 @NickSzabo4
      Property rights argument for why deplatforming long users should be illegal: "[As with prescriptive easements one] has a right to the mixing of their labor with property.... I put a lot of work into my Twitter account ... tilled the soil, sowed the seeds" https://elaineou.com/2018/08/07/a-lockean-theory-of-digital-property/ …
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        2. Mr.Hodl 🌕 🍿‏ @MrHodl 8 Aug 2018
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @provoost and

          Sorry Nick. I don't buy thit argument. If my tenants signed a contract that said "you can piss on on carpet" then so be it. If you pissed on my rug for 5 years and one day I had enough of it, I have every right to tell you to fuck off. (Not accounting for laws)

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        3. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 8 Aug 2018
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          Replying to @MrHodl @provoost and

          Both legally and morally you do not, you have lost the right to do so by creating a reasonable expectation on the tenant's part that they are allowed to use the property in that way. Similarly if a neighbor uses your lawn as a shortcut for five years and you don't object.

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        4. Mr.Hodl 🌕 🍿‏ @MrHodl 8 Aug 2018
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @provoost and

          Yes but what if one day I don't want you to use my lawn for a shortcut? Can I tell you to stop?

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        5. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 8 Aug 2018
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          Replying to @MrHodl @provoost and

          Legally no, not if the statute of limitations (e.g. 5 years) has run. Morally, your lack of enforcement means the neighbor reasonably relies on expectation of continued use, may have even invested in improvements (as has a social media user, as Elaine describes in the OP link).

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        6. Mr.Hodl 🌕 🍿‏ @MrHodl 8 Aug 2018
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @provoost and

          This is news to me. So if someone was using my lawn as a shortcut for 5 years (without a contract) and now I wanted to grow food, I'm shit out of luck?

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        7. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 8 Aug 2018
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          Replying to @MrHodl @provoost and

          Yes. It's called a prescriptive easement (in some states "long user"). You still have all the rights of ownership except you can't use the property in a way that interferes with the shortcut, nor forbid that neighbor's use of the shortcut.

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        8. indus³‏ @indvs3 8 Aug 2018
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @MrHodl and

          So how does thay work if the neighbour has been using your property for shortcut outside your knowledge? Let's assume for the sake of the discussion that the shortcut isn't evident from repeated use...

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        9. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 8 Aug 2018
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          Replying to @indvs3 @MrHodl and

          You have an obligation to help enforce your own property rights. You should be paying attention at least occasionally over the course of five years.

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        2. Jamie‏ @JamievdR 8 Aug 2018
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @provoost and

          This really doesn't hold up though. Firstly, there are contractual considerations - users and Twitter's specifically agree the rules of the game. Contract law has a different set of rules to property law. Second, an account is essentially cyber space - not physical property

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        3. Peter Todd‏ @peterktodd 8 Aug 2018
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          Replying to @JamievdR @NickSzabo4 and

          Peter Todd Retweeted jack  🌍 🌏 🌎

          Note:https://twitter.com/jack/status/1026984242893357056?s=19 …

          Peter Todd added,

          jack  🌍 🌏 🌎Verified account @jack
          We didn’t suspend Alex Jones or Infowars yesterday. We know that’s hard for many but the reason is simple: he hasn’t violated our rules. We’ll enforce if he does. And we’ll continue to promote a healthy conversational environment by ensuring tweets aren’t artificially amplified.
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        4. Joe Ortenzi  🇨🇦  🇮🇹  🇦🇺‏ @wheelyweb 8 Aug 2018
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          Replying to @peterktodd @JamievdR and

          Yes. Many of us are aware of jack’s statement. I’m not clear what point you’re making by repeating his statement. What is your statement?

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        1. Sjors Provoost‏ @provoost 8 Aug 2018
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @peterktodd

          On my reading list, thanks. My concern about this line of reasoning is that it could be countered by "we warned you not to do X a thousand times" or "you changed your behavior recently". Viewing free speech as a commons, which big players can pollute, seems a more robust defense.

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