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    1.  💻 🐴Ngnghm‏ @Ngnghm May 19
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      The smallest type change make entire APIs incompatible, hence a lot of pain in OCaml: forced upgrades, forced downgrades, crazy version update schedules, extra forks, reluctance to fix bad early choices that would break compatibility, etc. Types DIRECTLY cause library badness.

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    2. Raphael Reitzig‏ @OmegaPolice May 20
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      Sure, breaking APIs silently is a lot better. Cause we all know that stack traces are so much more fun than compiler errors.

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    3.  💻 🐴Ngnghm‏ @Ngnghm May 20
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      How about not breaking APIs? Supporting two types without a sum with named constructors? Adding an optional field or option way down the type hierarchy without breaking everything? Issuing runtime errors in rare cases that are not supported anymore? Supporting code evolution…

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    4. SH∀∃ ∃RISSON  ☠‏ @shapr May 20
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      I dunno if it's that easy. We're changing formats and can't keep all the old types around for long. Perhaps included migration tools would work?

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    5.  💻 🐴Ngnghm‏ @Ngnghm May 20
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      Even "not for long" can be of great help in decoupling the release schedules of libraries so you don't need to constantly fork entire ecosystems unless you want e.g. last year's version.

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       💻 🐴Ngnghm‏ @Ngnghm May 20
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      This actually reminds me of this 2009 essay that sparked my involvement with ASDF: https://fare.livejournal.com/149264.html  Tight coupling between releases of different software creates social chaos. Loose coupling brings social order. People need slack.

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        2.  💻 🐴Ngnghm‏ @Ngnghm May 20
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          While maintaining ASDF myself, I learned to give users a year before making a change that breaks compatibility in corner cases, and to give them twenty years before making a change that breaks compatibility in the usual case.

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          Hm. Not all breaks are created equal. Slightly changed API? Use your IDE, no big deal. Slightly changed CLI? Hmm, better have some warnibns around for a while. Conceptual redesign? Might as well start a new project. #JUnit4 vs #Junit5, anyone? And that's probably a mild case.

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