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    1. Dave Smith‏ @djsmith42 30 Mar 2019
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      This article claims that Lisp and SmallTalk developers are 10x more productive than developers using mainstream languages, but only in small teams. In other words, these languages don't scale. http://evrl.com/programming/2019/03/28/the-language-conundrum.html …

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    2. Stefan RuijsenÆrs‏ @stefan_arrr 31 Mar 2019
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      @fare true in your experience?

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    3. François-René Rideau‏ @fare 31 Mar 2019
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      When Google tried to translate part of the Lisp code base to C++ the result was something like 10x the size for marginal gains in speed, with similar amount of lines per programmer day... so yes on the "10x more productive" front.

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    4. Phairupegiont‏ @Phairupegiont 31 Mar 2019
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      did you just use "lines of code written" as a metric for programmer productivity?

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    5.  💻 🐴Ngnghm‏ @Ngnghm 31 Mar 2019
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      As a metric of programmer speed indeed. About the same kloc/week in every language, just 10x the number of lines for the same features in C++ as for Lisp. It's also my experience with Clojure vs Java: same speed in kloc/week, 4x to 10x the line count in Java.

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    6.  💻 🐴Ngnghm‏ @Ngnghm 31 Mar 2019
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      So 4x to 10x higher productivity in Lisp vs blub, if what matters is features rather than line count.

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    7. Phairupegiont‏ @Phairupegiont 31 Mar 2019
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      I was thinking about the quotes: "We should rather be counting lines of code produced, as lines of code *spent*." "Measuring programming progress by lines of code is like measuring aircraft building progress by weight." and "Source code is not an asset, it's a liability."

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    8. Phairupegiont‏ @Phairupegiont 31 Mar 2019
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      It makes sense to measure the total codebase size to estimate its complexity, but measuring kloc *written per week* is insane, imo. The goal is more like, find programmers good enough to *reduce* your overall kloc count.

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       💻 🐴Ngnghm‏ @Ngnghm 31 Mar 2019
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      You're preaching to the choir. Any opposition you're imagining on my side is of your own confection.

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        1.  💻 🐴Ngnghm‏ @Ngnghm 31 Mar 2019
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          And that's exactly what makes Lisp more productive: you need much fewer lines of code to achieve the same effect. Not because people write more lines of code with one language than the other.

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