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Gardener, cyclist, geek, author. If looking for my tech transfer stuff please head over to @CareyInternati2 where I am more mature in my behaviour.

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    Nessa Carey‏ @NessaCarey 30 Sep 2018

    Bloody hell. Have you seen this graphic from @nature. 18/603 Nobel scientific laureates are women. I knew it was bad, but that's ridiculous.pic.twitter.com/gbv7eVP5PX

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      2. David del Álamo‏ @DdelAlamo 1 Oct 2018
        Replying to @NessaCarey @nature

        This is natural. Most Nobel awards are given for discoveries made decades before... At a time when women were essentially absent from science (with very notable exceptions). This graph should change in the next decades. Hopefully.

        6 replies 0 retweets 30 likes
      3. Nessa Carey‏ @NessaCarey 1 Oct 2018
        Replying to @DdelAlamo @nature

        If there is one thing I have learnt about inequality, it's sadly that hope changes bugger all.

        0 replies 0 retweets 45 likes
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      2. Tuesday Simmons‏ @tuesdays314 1 Oct 2018
        Replying to @NessaCarey @RuthLSchmidt @nature

        The American Chemical Society has a play called No Belles about all the women who deserved Nobel prizes. It’s playing in the Bay Area on Oct 12 and 13, and might have other shows elsewhere!

        2 replies 6 retweets 16 likes
      3. Nessa Carey‏ @NessaCarey 1 Oct 2018
        Replying to @tuesdays314 @RuthLSchmidt @nature

        Damn, I would love to see that. Sadly, I am on the wrong continent ☹️

        0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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      2. Islet of Langerhans‏ @Langerhans_isle 1 Oct 2018
        Replying to @NessaCarey @nature

        It's only "bad" if some groundbreaking work was overlooked. The prize is for the work, not the person.

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      3. Nessa Carey‏ @NessaCarey 1 Oct 2018
        Replying to @Langerhans_isle @nature

        If that were true, why is the number of people for each prize restricted?

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      4. Islet of Langerhans‏ @Langerhans_isle 1 Oct 2018
        Replying to @NessaCarey @nature

        Um...same reason there's only one winner of a foot race? That's how competition works.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      5. Nessa Carey‏ @NessaCarey 1 Oct 2018
        Replying to @Langerhans_isle @nature

        In which case it’s the people.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      6. Islet of Langerhans‏ @Langerhans_isle 1 Oct 2018
        Replying to @NessaCarey @nature

        No. The gold medal is awarded for the best performance in the race, not to the "best runner." Now imagine looking at the demographic breakdown of 100m medalists and thinking it was "bad."

        0 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
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      2. Alethia Alvarez‏ @AlethiaAlvarez 3 Oct 2018
        Replying to @NessaCarey @ESchadde @nature

        I’m curious: what’s the ratio of women in science/academic work? Lets say 1/20... then why expect to get a 1/1 ratio in anything? I’m a woman in a very male-dominated fiel in a male-dominated country; and I wouldn’t like to be awarded for “being a woman”, but for being the best

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      3. Nessa Carey‏ @NessaCarey 3 Oct 2018
        Replying to @AlethiaAlvarez @ESchadde @nature

        Depends on the field but usually well above the 3% here. No one is suggesting awards for being a woman. We are suggesting not being disadvantaged by being a woman and this applies at every career stage.

        2 replies 0 retweets 10 likes
      4. Alethia Alvarez‏ @AlethiaAlvarez 3 Oct 2018
        Replying to @NessaCarey @ESchadde @nature

        There... you are totally right. Usually to get the same recognition demands more work! Glad you posted this! To think about

        0 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
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      2. Albert Osseily‏ @aosseily 1 Oct 2018
        Replying to @NessaCarey @naomirwolf @nature

        The sort of people who think the Nobel prize should be gender balanced are the sort of people who would never win a Nobel prize.

        1 reply 1 retweet 14 likes
      3. Nessa Carey‏ @NessaCarey 1 Oct 2018
        Replying to @aosseily @naomirwolf @nature

        As are the sort of people who resist calls for a society in which there is equality of opportunity and of recognition.

        3 replies 2 retweets 22 likes
      4. Eki-eki Patang‏ @Pol_core 2 Oct 2018
        Replying to @NessaCarey @aosseily and

        Equality of opportunity is contradictory to equality of recognition. People being different, even at population group level, they will not do the same things if given the same opportunities. They will thus not achieve the same results & recognition.

        1 reply 1 retweet 3 likes
      5. VI‏ @InfiniteMassPun 3 Oct 2018
        Replying to @Pol_core @NessaCarey and

        No, it is not. I mean, you literally just explained it yourself. You can have equality of opportunity and different people will still do different things, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't have the same chances - in this case, they clearly don't.

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      6. Eki-eki Patang‏ @Pol_core 3 Oct 2018
        Replying to @InfiniteMassPun @NessaCarey and

        I made a distinction "equality of recognition", doesn't mean equality of chance but of result. Given that we are under a graph of the gender breakdown of the highest academic achievement, there is no other interpretation possible of (implicitly asking for) "=ity of recognition".

        1 reply 1 retweet 0 likes
      7. Eki-eki Patang‏ @Pol_core 3 Oct 2018
        Replying to @Pol_core @InfiniteMassPun and

        But if I somehow misunderstood, the original poster of the term is welcomed to detail what was meant by "equality of recognition"

        0 replies 1 retweet 0 likes
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      2. Rune Linding‏ @RuneLinding 30 Sep 2018
        Replying to @NessaCarey @wolfgangkhuber @nature

        It would be interesting to see the stats for nominations and people who never got it despite multiple nominations. There is also a massive issue with the Nobel committees in terms of internationalization.

        2 replies 3 retweets 13 likes
      3. Liz Lister‏ @scarycurlgirl 1 Oct 2018
        Replying to @RuneLinding @NessaCarey and

        Lise Meitner. Nominated 48 times. Never won. https://www.nobelprize.org/nomination/redirector/?redir=archive/show_people.php&id=6097 …

        2 replies 17 retweets 46 likes
      4. Rune Linding‏ @RuneLinding 1 Oct 2018
        Replying to @scarycurlgirl @NessaCarey and

        Rosalind Franklin may be an even more outrageous example..in particular given some of the appalling actions/statements from Watson.

        2 replies 0 retweets 12 likes
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