it’s also an incredible generalization, Hallaj you could arguably call an ‘insurgent’ but there was emphatically no “camoflague” involved there. In later centuries the kind of sentiments you’ve quoted are tropes and clichés
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Replying to @khalidbinyaqub @NegarestaniReza
many persian sufis actually state their beliefs about god in their ‘prose’ writings, which while far more complex and variegated than this silly idea of “humanity storming the heavens,” generally follow some permutation of wahdat al-wujud
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Replying to @khalidbinyaqub
You are most probably an Islamist. Hallaj was extremely careful to not reveal his philosophical alliances until his return from the third hajj when he was under the influence of Babouyeh and Nobakhti took a more confrontational stance.
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Replying to @NegarestaniReza
that’s a funny response— since your reading is an unqualified projection of your own beliefs my response must be a form of “islamism” lol. If by Babouyeh you mean al-Qummi, he was at most a toddler by the time of Hallaj’s death, so his influence must have been quite supernatural
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Replying to @khalidbinyaqub
Get your facts right, have you even seen his letter to علی بن بابویه?
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Replying to @NegarestaniReza @khalidbinyaqub
Also re Islamism, I assure I didn't judge that by your twitter name
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Replying to @NegarestaniReza
the name references the amusing coinage that occasionally pops up when people forget the word 'muslim'
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Replying to @khalidbinyaqub
In any sense of that word, I not only defy it but also fight it.
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Replying to @NegarestaniReza @khalidbinyaqub
This not an atheist response but someone who has seen the depths of the organized religion.
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Replying to @NegarestaniReza
so many senses of the word 'muslim' come to mind, it's hard to understand how one could fight all of them and not be an atheist, esp. since the most fundamental meaning is simply a submitter to God. Unless you believe in God but still fight against God, which seems ill advised
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This is the problem, it's like saying there are many senses of the world or atheism, so how to encounter them? This is a loose and cognitively lax way of approaching problems. Once we lift the bounds of interpretation then we are in free-floating theoretical and practical caprice
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Replying to @NegarestaniReza
the statement that there are many senses of 'world' or 'atheism' (or 'theism' or 'god' for that matter) and so we should encounter those various senses/meanings differently seems sensible to me actually
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Replying to @khalidbinyaqub @NegarestaniReza
I would say this is almost the only alternative to cognitive laxity, to pursue the meanings of words in their usage, that's why i'm seeking clarification of what it means to not be an atheist but to fight every sense of the word 'muslim'
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