it’s also an incredible generalization, Hallaj you could arguably call an ‘insurgent’ but there was emphatically no “camoflague” involved there. In later centuries the kind of sentiments you’ve quoted are tropes and clichés
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Replying to @khalidbinyaqub @NegarestaniReza
many persian sufis actually state their beliefs about god in their ‘prose’ writings, which while far more complex and variegated than this silly idea of “humanity storming the heavens,” generally follow some permutation of wahdat al-wujud
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Replying to @khalidbinyaqub
You are most probably an Islamist. Hallaj was extremely careful to not reveal his philosophical alliances until his return from the third hajj when he was under the influence of Babouyeh and Nobakhti took a more confrontational stance.
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Replying to @simadologist
haha, great these Islamists always reveal themselves so easily. ;)
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Replying to @NegarestaniReza
Especially when talk about "storming the heavens" comes up


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Replying to @simadologist
Love the fact that they always say, no storming the heaven means something else. oh yes
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Replying to @NegarestaniReza @simadologist
well, i will take your word on the meaning of “storming the heavens” since it was only you who said it, but i have no reason to take your word on the meaning of what others say, especially when it is so much more boring than the explanation those others have provided
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Replying to @khalidbinyaqub @simadologist
If you had some Marxist upbringing you wouldn't have that storming the heaven is a trivial injunction. It's the very essence of historical self-consciousness wherein all illusions of completed totalities will dissolve.
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Replying to @NegarestaniReza @simadologist
there seem to be a few 'completed totalities' (essence, self) invoked in this repudiation of totalities; Derrida in his 'Spectres' lectures had to deal with this paradoxical strain in Marx, esp. in his treatment of french revolutionary politics
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The idea of a completed totality is a metaphysical illusion upon which religion has built so many house of cards.
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Replying to @NegarestaniReza @khalidbinyaqub
Yes...but some philosphico-religious systems actually warn against precisely that totality and refer to it in terms of "Maya*.
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I feel like Maya is often associated with flux in opposition to an absolute totality in Hinduism, but I guess in Buddhism it would be the opposite..?
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