"AI could be better at capitalism than humans" is imo a sort of tautology that doesn't really prove anything (specifically, whether CAPITALISM is identical with intelligence). the possibility of inventing capitalism entails the possibility of inventing something better at it
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Replying to @baroquespiral @anti_minotaur and
the affirmation underlying Land's thesis - which I think is accurate - is that AI and Capital are the same thing. "capitalism" is very complicated in this setting - but one could think of it as "partially autonomous capital".
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Replying to @cyborg_nomade @baroquespiral and
now, of course, you could think of AI as some piece of software, developed by some human organizations, and then I could concur *that* is not going anywhere much farther.
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Replying to @cyborg_nomade @anti_minotaur and
yeah but that's what you guys have been arguing this whole thread. now you're retreating to the unfalsifiable "capitalism is God", but the MEASURABLE successes of existing AI were supposed to be the evidence for that in the first place.
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Replying to @baroquespiral @anti_minotaur and
I still think it's undeniable that things like AlphaZero, independently of their future, are a definite blow to anyone who'd think reason cannot be emulated by machines.
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Replying to @cyborg_nomade @baroquespiral and
Again, no one is saying it can't. The question is whether it's doing so *right now*.
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Replying to @anti_minotaur @baroquespiral and
it used to be thought that chess was too much reasoning for any machine, then Go inherited that place. now you can elect any new inheritor, but why should anyone believe it won't be automated as well?
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Replying to @cyborg_nomade @anti_minotaur and
There isn't anything tougher than Go in the cupboard because they didn't think they'd need it.
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Replying to @Outsideness @cyborg_nomade and
When did you get this idea, when you learned play Go in your late fifties?
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Replying to @NegarestaniReza @Outsideness and
This whole business has an Oedipal stink about it. They're arguing against the phantasmic skeptic who said that computers could never win at chess, and then it could never win at Go, and now whatever they say now is just the same old routine.
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My singularity daddy told me so.
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Replying to @NegarestaniReza @Outsideness and
Oh no, the singularity can never be Daddy. The singularity is arming me against Daddy, I don't have to listen to him anymore, can't you see how much I'm not listening? Petculence, wannabe, melancholy.
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