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Creator of a blunt object known as Intelligence and Spirit https://tinyurl.com/s7e226j  (Urbanomic/Sequence).

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    1. Junk‏ @Junk_lzn Feb 20
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      but the article really started to fall apart when it tried to apply these principles to linguistics, and bootstrap that into outdated ethnoscience. the allegory extends only so far, at which point the overloaded physics-myth behind it loses its meaning.

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    2. dark mutualist‏ @cyborg_nomade Feb 20
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      sure, there can be counter arguments to the part that deals with more mundane things. I'd like to read those arguments. my initial reaction was just asking if Reza thought his statement about ontology amounted to an argument against the physics in the article.

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    3. Junk‏ @Junk_lzn Feb 20
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      okay, meta-physical bewilderment aside, the origin of peoples is -not- abstractly equivalent to biological speciation. there is no language without hybridity, which seems a lot more significant than how the tree model was once used. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybridity#In_linguistics …

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    4. dark mutualist‏ @cyborg_nomade Feb 20
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      and yet, languages develop into recognizable independent units. so do peoples.

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    5. Junk‏ @Junk_lzn Feb 20
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      that doesn't always happen, either. have you ever heard the question, "what's the difference between a dialect and a language"? there are many places where developing a unique idiolect is valued over linguistic homogeny. its only empires that want it so badly.

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    6. dark mutualist‏ @cyborg_nomade Feb 20
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      sure. but we're not speaking German or Chinese.

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    7. Junk‏ @Junk_lzn Feb 20
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      what point are you trying to make

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    8. dark mutualist‏ @cyborg_nomade Feb 20
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      speciation is nebulous at various points, but it's still a very lively driving force, even at the most cultural of levels.

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    9. Junk‏ @Junk_lzn Feb 20
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      speciation isn't the reason we're speaking english, colonialism is

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    10. dark mutualist‏ @cyborg_nomade Feb 20
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      speciation is the reason English and German aren't the same thing.

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      Reza Negarestani‏ @NegarestaniReza Feb 20
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      What on earth are you talking about? Not every variational factor can be talked about in terms of speciation. Moreover, what is important here is not the diversity of natural languages but the very internal logic-computational mechanics of language itself which is invariant.

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        2.  🌇vole, mighty digger 🌆‏ @anti_minotaur Feb 20
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          Social darwinism is strange. If these are actually the most intellectually "fit" concepts, why are they unpopular, not only among the relevant specialties they claim dominion over but among biologists as well? Oh, right, it's the Cathedral, suppressing the truth like the Masons.

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        3. higherOrderNet‏ @higherOrderNet Feb 20
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          You're misunderstanding. Whatever concepts are good at spreading will spread. 'Good at spreading' doesn't necessarily mean true, it only requires getting the limbic juices flowing in the 🐒 brain.

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        2. higherOrderNet‏ @higherOrderNet Feb 20
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          Replying to @NegarestaniReza @cyborg_nomade and

          Sure, languages require internal functional consistency, but so do organisms 🦠

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        3. Reza Negarestani‏ @NegarestaniReza Feb 20
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          Replying to @higherOrderNet @cyborg_nomade and

          The criteria of such consistency are entirely different. Do you treat the consistency a a logical system the way you treat the consistency of a thermostat's response. Just because we use the word consistency colloquially doesn't make them same or even comparable.

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        1. dark mutualist‏ @cyborg_nomade Feb 20
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          I don't quite agree with that kind of rationalist argument. I think Englishman and Germans think slightly different, and both very differently from Brazilians - and it shows. minds don't seem to be homogeneous.

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