That narrative i'm always suspicious about tbh
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Replying to @lesoiseauxdumal
Why? Baghdad was the center of science at that time. It had schools which accommodated both eastern and western students and scholars. It was by all means the centre of scientific education. People were flocking to these schools. It's not just Baghdad, also Balkh, Herat, Kiev, ..
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Replying to @NegarestaniReza
It's the second part of the narrative that i'm having a hard time believing. The effect that the invasion had on these societies. A discussion about "diversity" can be focused on the first century after the invasion. What did it do to the cultural topography of the medieval world
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Replying to @lesoiseauxdumal
Two invasions handicapped the cultural topography that was already stabilized and flourishing leading to cultural scarcity rather than diversity across the globe: The initial expansion of the mongol empire and then Ottoman's conquest of the Holy Roman Empire.
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Replying to @NegarestaniReza @lesoiseauxdumal
Science went to the west, shit poetry stayed in the East.
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Replying to @NegarestaniReza
Yes, that's what i was typing just now. That seems to be the most significant shift indeed.
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Replying to @lesoiseauxdumal
Even though the process was initiated by the mongols but it was finally carried out by Ottomans.
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Replying to @NegarestaniReza
don't you think sea-faring would be limited in case of no-invasion, and as a result Americas wouldn't fell and the industrial revolution wouldn't happen the way it did? think of the mechanical progress of Abbasid but without the resources the west had because of the seafaring.
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Replying to @lesoiseauxdumal
Seafaring was not fully militarized at that point. Industrial revolution happened because of a miraculous coincidence. The sources of tin and copper where by the sea.
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Replying to @NegarestaniReza
the Chinese had unbelievable navy though. some crazy ideas of interiority (which Mughals didn't care for btw) hindered their advance. and if the west couldn't reach the Americas, the source of wealth required for industrial rev. couldn't be seized.
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Kublai knew that. He used the force of the Chinese navy but he didn't think about the supply chain on the sea. When mongols arrived in Japan, they managed to strike a heavy blow. Overtime, they got weaker because they thought of it as an expedition, not a military supply chain.
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