One of the greatest lessons of Plato was to distinguish phases from nomos. Phusis is concerned with norms which are objective, noms on the other hand are more like social conventions and etiquettes.
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Replying to @NegarestaniReza @lesoiseauxdumal
So imagine if we could shelter ourselves by making houses, the codes of building could serve the objective needs or conventions. How can it be of the former instead of the latter?
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Replying to @NegarestaniReza
in some phases, the objective needs and conventions overlap (how could they not? I think of convention as a 3rd-degree abstraction. the development of Money can be thought of here). i.e an objective code-to-build can turn into a convention (stratification?) during n generation.
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Replying to @lesoiseauxdumal @NegarestaniReza
maybe a turn toward rationalism would be to always objectivize (!) all moral codes into an Espinoza-esque economy of usefulness/hindrance. isn't that "deterritorialization" in so many words then? anyways, I cannot see how Land is being inconsistent. I get your point though.
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Replying to @lesoiseauxdumal
Yes this is essentially Plato cutting at the joints. Yes they can overlap but are they the same. The objective requirements are always there. But the conventions can change for the better or the worse.
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Replying to @NegarestaniReza @lesoiseauxdumal
Imagine a builder guild who suddenly says that no one should make beams from this kind of material but only from the material that the guild approves. This is when you should pit the objective rules a la phusis against whimsical conventions so as to subvert the latter.
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Replying to @NegarestaniReza
Yes YES. that was my original point about the malignant super-intelligence which can only develop against the elite (the guild).
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Replying to @lesoiseauxdumal @NegarestaniReza
let's say a super AI reads the ratio of energy-consuming against the possibility of breaking the earth-egg and "going into space", and concludes that 75% of existing fossil industries should be subverted in order for the egg to hold. that would be his malignant Super-folan.
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Replying to @lesoiseauxdumal
That would be just a reward-driven agent, not a fully transcendental one. Transcendence is very much like buying a dell laptop, it comes with a lot junks. If you try to delete them, you machines goes kaput.
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Replying to @NegarestaniReza
that I don't understand. I cannot see a non-reward-driven AI. I guess I should read Intelligence and Spirit to get enlighted, hm?
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Reward is a vague concept just like pain or pleasure as Turing undersood it. These concepts are a matter of education. The kind of reward Seneca has in mind after freeing a slave is far different in nature than the reward an Amoeba expects after adopting to a warm water.
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