(see this great thread https://twitter.com/sevensixfive/status/1123363271615176704 …)
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also thunking about the disjunctions and continuities between my bête noire, the stumpy, and Jameson's lucid description of postmodern architecture: the changing nature (leveling?) of the 'hypercrowd'pic.twitter.com/YhlaB6uZFp
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It seems telling to me that the content of particular forms of micro-genre, which have become coupled to 'irrational' forms of politics, often express a nostalgia not for modernity or pre-modernity, but for the vertigo-inducing postmodernity that Jameson descrbes
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Replying to @EBBerger
I think you are confounding two fundamental different categories based on your posts. The postmodern condition as a form of historical dialectic and postmodernism as a style or a template in which you can dump a lot of modernist vagaries.
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Not seeing any difference between those categories.
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I also don't see 'postmodernism' as something entirely new, but a style or package of cultural modes linked to particular tendencies in capitalist development that we have, in fact, seen before in history (1870s - early 1900s)
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Well that is where you are wrong. The post-modern condition is not a style. You seem to confuse style with a tendency of a system (in this case, modernity or capitalism).
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Hmm, I don't think so -- the style reflects a condition, the conditon designates the moving to the fore of particular tendencies in capitalist development (neither modernity or 'post'modernity have reality outside of capitalism, as Postone and Buck-Morss have shown)
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An example: A dynamic system reaches a new phase. This phase is the product of the transitions that a system has made. is this phase actually reflective of the underlying processes? On the surface, yes, but you can't unpack the actual processes by simply looking at it.
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It's uncritical to say that go hey these styles are reflective of the historical conditions. What you need is a set of methods to reveal those conditions and how they evolved. That's the difference between postmodernism as a style and the critique of the post-modern condition.
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Replying to @NegarestaniReza @EBBerger
OK. And how do you know which styles to critique against your pre-existent abstract ideal of postmodernism?
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You seem to shoot yourself in the foot insofar as this very question can be posed at a much deeper level. What is actually you are defending here re postmodernism? The only answer is that all such subjects require historical self-consciousness which is a matter of dialectics.
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