Relativism seems to me an obvious consequence of a magic-free worldview but to others an obvious result of anti-rationalist quasi-mysticism. When one think of this debate or clash of intuitions one can't help but wonder: why is everyone apart from Liam Kofi Bright entirely wrong?
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Replying to @lastpositivist
Sir, the horns of your dilemma are bit crooked. How can a magic-free worldview begets relativism?
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Replying to @NegarestaniReza
Reza you're gonna hate me for this but I see it as falling out of Carnap and Hempel lol - I think the kind of social coordination inquiry (be it descriptive or normative) seeks to achieve will admit of many equally good conventional choices that generate adequate results.
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Replying to @lastpositivist
Yes, but that doesn't amount to magic or magic-free. I think you are using the word magic in a very generous way like as it it was a proto form of experimental science a la Lynn Thorndike. Otherwise, magic as it is commonly understood is actually not a good conventional choice.
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Replying to @NegarestaniReza @lastpositivist
He means magic in the William James sense -- a sassy pejorative for realist metaphysics
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Replying to @peligrietzer @lastpositivist
Realist metaphysics? Where is Carnap now?
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Replying to @NegarestaniReza @lastpositivist
OMG Reza, Liam is saying that 'magic' (i.e. realist metaphysics) is bad and relativism (i.e. carnap/hempel style conventionalism) is the only alternative, and therefore good
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Replying to @peligrietzer @lastpositivist
But the whole thing is that people like Carnap and Goodman are actually not relativists in any solid sense. They are anti-foundationalist and pro-methodological diversification. That has nothing to do with relativism in the way we use the term nowadays.
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Furthermore, metaphysical realism is not the culprit. I'd say both the later Carnap and Goodman actually didn't think the word realism is worth fighting for.
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Replying to @NegarestaniReza @lastpositivist
I'm gonna go back to listening to you two work it out
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