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    1. Nate Meyvis‏ @NateMeyvis 27 Nov 2021

      But if you're trying to do something tough and/or big and/or unwieldy and you aren't thinking in terms of interfaces and design--not "system design" in the narrow sense of "what database do I use," but (again) the high-level logic of your code--you'll get smoked. [10/N]

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    2. Nate Meyvis‏ @NateMeyvis 27 Nov 2021

      A useful way to think about this is in terms of what is accidentally quadratic--and this happens not just at the data structure level* but at the objects-and-interfaces level. [11/N] *https://accidentallyquadratic.tumblr.com 

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    3. Nate Meyvis‏ @NateMeyvis 27 Nov 2021

      "I need a new thing to happen. Do I make it happen here or there?" Very often, if you put it in the right place, six months later you'll be doing O(n) work (where n is some natural unit of "stuff happening in your system"), but O(n^2) if you get it wrong. [12/N]

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    4. Nate Meyvis‏ @NateMeyvis 27 Nov 2021

      That's reductive, certainly not always true. But many mistakes amount to subtle duplications that mean that you need to check two things against each other when one thing should be handling it all. Usually that means a linear -> quadratic penalty. [13/N]

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    5. Nate Meyvis‏ @NateMeyvis 27 Nov 2021

      And--the devil is a busy man--these tend not to take the form of nested for loops, which means that it can require a keen eye even to perceive that this quadratic work is happening. (And you'll probably be having to reason about code that's all over the place.) [14/N]

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    6. Nate Meyvis‏ @NateMeyvis 27 Nov 2021

      And if you fix the downstream problem the wrong way, you're only going to compound the issue. And this is why "average time to 'fix' a bug" is a pretty bad metric by which to distinguish levels of programmer, too: [15/N]

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    7. Nate Meyvis‏ @NateMeyvis 27 Nov 2021

      Someone who's "fixing" a problem by bashing in some glue and tape in the first obvious place, but making an interface worse, might do so quickly but at huge technical cost. (See John Ousterhout on "tactical tornados.") [16/N]

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    8. Nate Meyvis‏ @NateMeyvis 27 Nov 2021

      And if I fix a problem the wrong way, I'm likely to be the one best positioned to fix the downstream problem four times as fast as you--because of a hyper-local knowledge gap I created through my mistakes. Getting this kind of thing right is super-hard... [17/N]

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    9. Nate Meyvis‏ @NateMeyvis 27 Nov 2021

      ...and it requires not only knowledge but *discipline* (see (ii) waaaay up a ways in this thread). It can be tough to not just throw in an extra parameter on a function, to split one object into two when it's called for, and so on. [18/N]

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    10. Nate Meyvis‏ @NateMeyvis 27 Nov 2021

      Anyway, why don't I do poker software? Because, basically, this stuff is what I care about, and the comparative advantage one should have to do poker software is (basically) something different. [19/N]

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      Nate Meyvis‏ @NateMeyvis 27 Nov 2021

      I like math, and I like learning about optimizations that help with numerical stuff, and game theory is cool. But, basically, I should leave software that relies heavily on that sort of thing to folks like @ivan_bezdomny. [20/N]

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        1. Nate Meyvis‏ @NateMeyvis 27 Nov 2021

          So, there's your answer, various people. I'm not doing poker software because my main intellectual interests are the sort of thing that push me elsewhere in the software world. [21/21]

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        1. Nikolai Yakovenko‏ @ivan_bezdomny 27 Nov 2021
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          Yeah. Poker sims and poker software is hard. Even my stuff, not nearly as good as what Noam Brown or Bryan Pellegrino built. By order(s) of magnitude. Meanwhile, not a huge market… lots of work, high standards, low reward 🤷‍♂️

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