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International Relations prof at U. Illinois. Senior Editor @ArcDigi. Author “Drones and Terrorism.” Politics, national security, and occasional nerdery.

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    Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 May 4

    Marx was totally right! No, Marx was totally wrong! It's neither. Marx wrote some interesting philosophy--my favorite is "On the Jewish Question"--and correctly identified some flaws in capitalism. His proposals to address those flaws are terrible, and caused immense suffering.

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      2. deadgod‏ @equiprimordial May 4
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        Which proposals do you mean?

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      3. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 May 4
        Replying to @equiprimordial

        Central planning. Elevating class status over individual rights.

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      4. deadgod‏ @equiprimordial May 4
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        I think he handles the dialectic of class and person more subtly than choosing the former to the extinction of the latter, and that's not really a proposal. I mean, progressive tax rates, where the richer pay a higher percentage, isn't the cause of immense suffering!

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      5. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 May 4
        Replying to @equiprimordial

        No, but progressive tax rates is not what Marx recommended.

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      6. deadgod‏ @equiprimordial May 4
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        I guess my challenge—free to be ignored, ha—is, what did Marx recommend *specifically*?

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      7. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 May 4
        Replying to @equiprimordial

        Revolution, seize the means of production, etc. are proposals, despite lacking detail. People that tried to implement them took a variety of approaches. But they all end up violent, repressive, authoritarian because there's no other way to do it on a large scale.

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      8. deadgod‏ @equiprimordial May 4
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        Proletarians in a social democracy who vote for progressive lawmakers are, in a bourgeois way, getting some control over the means of production from executive/manager owners; votes for conservatives, in this watered-down way, are counter-revolutionary.

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      9. deadgod‏ @equiprimordial May 4
        Replying to @equiprimordial @NGrossman81

        Taking action from the ownership-of-means-of-production perspective isn't innately authoritarian; the idea is to put authority in the hands where it belongs (about which one can argue, of course). I don't know if non-self-defeating revolution is possible, but whence else justice?

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      2. John-Pierre Maeli‏ @JohnPierreMaeli May 4
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        I'm continually surprised by how many people can never understand why some would like to read/discuss Marx in terms of philosophy and not "OMG he's a monster" rhetoric.

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      3. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 May 4
        Replying to @JohnPierreMaeli

        Same. For example, he might be the only person in history who really understands Hegel.

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      1. Christopher Larlee‏ @chrislarlee May 4
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        In my experience philosophers tend to be very good at seeing flaws in existing systems and very bad at designing fixes.

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      1. RWAResearch‏ @ResearchRwa May 4
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        You have to supply a fainting couch when suggesting Marx was right about anything to a typical American.

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