Which proposals do you mean?
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Central planning. Elevating class status over individual rights.
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I think he handles the dialectic of class and person more subtly than choosing the former to the extinction of the latter, and that's not really a proposal. I mean, progressive tax rates, where the richer pay a higher percentage, isn't the cause of immense suffering!
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No, but progressive tax rates is not what Marx recommended.
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I guess my challenge—free to be ignored, ha—is, what did Marx recommend *specifically*?
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Revolution, seize the means of production, etc. are proposals, despite lacking detail. People that tried to implement them took a variety of approaches. But they all end up violent, repressive, authoritarian because there's no other way to do it on a large scale.
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Proletarians in a social democracy who vote for progressive lawmakers are, in a bourgeois way, getting some control over the means of production from executive/manager owners; votes for conservatives, in this watered-down way, are counter-revolutionary.
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Taking action from the ownership-of-means-of-production perspective isn't innately authoritarian; the idea is to put authority in the hands where it belongs (about which one can argue, of course). I don't know if non-self-defeating revolution is possible, but whence else justice?
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I'm continually surprised by how many people can never understand why some would like to read/discuss Marx in terms of philosophy and not "OMG he's a monster" rhetoric.
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Same. For example, he might be the only person in history who really understands Hegel.
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In my experience philosophers tend to be very good at seeing flaws in existing systems and very bad at designing fixes.
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You have to supply a fainting couch when suggesting Marx was right about anything to a typical American.
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