This exemplifies your error: Viewing pre-sexual revolution sex through rose-colored glasses. Today's incels weren't in healthy, happy marriages in the 1950s. They're misogynist now, and they were misogynist then. The difference is between "involuntary celibacy" and spousal rape.https://twitter.com/DouthatNYT/status/992050300486864896 …
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There were interesting things to think about in
@DouthatNYT's piece: -The value our culture places on sex -The larger societal question of increasing loneliness -Potential consequences of sex robots -The benefits of considering extremist arguments (considering, not agreeing with)1 reply 1 retweet 9 likesShow this thread -
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@DouthatNYT undermined these interesting elements by indulging rather than rejecting "redistribution of sex," and erroneously assuming the "distribution" was better in 1950. We redistribute objects, like money. Sex isn't an object. It comes from a partnership with a subject.2 replies 2 retweets 7 likesShow this thread -
Claiming that sex (viewed from the societal level) went downhill after the 1950s--which
@DouthatNYT claims often--is myopically male and straight (and just a certain type of straight man too). Ignores domestic abuse, spousal rape, anti-LGBT discrimination, and more awfulness.2 replies 0 retweets 8 likesShow this thread -
Among the biggest changes regarding sex since the 1950s: strides towards female autonomy and LGBT equality. Hard to claim that society would be better off returning to 1950s sexual mores without thinking female autonomy and LGBT equality are undesirable. Or at least not caring.
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Tend to agree that his view of the sexual revolution is way too negative. But I just don't get the continued conflation with sexually frustrated lonely men vs incels. I think he's mainly talking about the first group.
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He used incels as a jumping off point for his argument. But I agree that he's talking about sexually frustrated lonely people (mostly, but not exclusively men).
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