This exemplifies your error: Viewing pre-sexual revolution sex through rose-colored glasses. Today's incels weren't in healthy, happy marriages in the 1950s. They're misogynist now, and they were misogynist then. The difference is between "involuntary celibacy" and spousal rape.https://twitter.com/DouthatNYT/status/992050300486864896 …
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There were interesting things to think about in
@DouthatNYT's piece: -The value our culture places on sex -The larger societal question of increasing loneliness -Potential consequences of sex robots -The benefits of considering extremist arguments (considering, not agreeing with)1 reply 1 retweet 9 likesShow this thread -
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@DouthatNYT undermined these interesting elements by indulging rather than rejecting "redistribution of sex," and erroneously assuming the "distribution" was better in 1950. We redistribute objects, like money. Sex isn't an object. It comes from a partnership with a subject.2 replies 2 retweets 7 likesShow this thread -
Claiming that sex (viewed from the societal level) went downhill after the 1950s--which
@DouthatNYT claims often--is myopically male and straight (and just a certain type of straight man too). Ignores domestic abuse, spousal rape, anti-LGBT discrimination, and more awfulness.2 replies 0 retweets 8 likesShow this thread -
Among the biggest changes regarding sex since the 1950s: strides towards female autonomy and LGBT equality. Hard to claim that society would be better off returning to 1950s sexual mores without thinking female autonomy and LGBT equality are undesirable. Or at least not caring.
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That being said, it's true that 21st century society (in US and many other countries) teaches that sex is part of the good life, and there are people who want sex but do not, for whatever reason, find willing partners.
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The incel community is unremittingly awful. But there are normal people--of various ages, genders, sizes, socioeconomic status, abilities--who want sex but can't find willing partners. Is that a societal problem? Not sure. But there is a disconnect with this and a pro-sex culture
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If we accept that this sexual disconnect is a societal problem, sex robots strike me as the least bad solution. Objects fulfill desire; no subject has to be coerced.
@DouthatNYT calls this dystopian. But "redistributing" sex by returning to 1950s mores sounds much worse.
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Replying to @NGrossman81 @DouthatNYT
Douthat is talking about rape. That's what sexual distribution is for the incels. It's not about disabled communities or women who aren't with a partner. It's all about men who are not attractive to women wanting to force those women to have sex with them. That's all it is.
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