This exemplifies your error: Viewing pre-sexual revolution sex through rose-colored glasses. Today's incels weren't in healthy, happy marriages in the 1950s. They're misogynist now, and they were misogynist then. The difference is between "involuntary celibacy" and spousal rape.https://twitter.com/DouthatNYT/status/992050300486864896 …
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Among the biggest changes regarding sex since the 1950s: strides towards female autonomy and LGBT equality. Hard to claim that society would be better off returning to 1950s sexual mores without thinking female autonomy and LGBT equality are undesirable. Or at least not caring.
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That being said, it's true that 21st century society (in US and many other countries) teaches that sex is part of the good life, and there are people who want sex but do not, for whatever reason, find willing partners.
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The incel community is unremittingly awful. But there are normal people--of various ages, genders, sizes, socioeconomic status, abilities--who want sex but can't find willing partners. Is that a societal problem? Not sure. But there is a disconnect with this and a pro-sex culture
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If we accept that this sexual disconnect is a societal problem, sex robots strike me as the least bad solution. Objects fulfill desire; no subject has to be coerced.
@DouthatNYT calls this dystopian. But "redistributing" sex by returning to 1950s mores sounds much worse. (END)Show this thread
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He also assumes that all marriages involve “regular” sex. They do not. And therefore there are way more involuntary celibates than we realize. Upon divorce, avg couple has gone 3 years w/o sex. At 40% divorce rate, do the math.
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Right. That's why I brought up spousal rape. The idea that marriage always means sex requires willfully ignoring how that came to be true in way too many marriages before spousal rape was considered a crime.
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And I think spousal rape while certainly something that happens, probably isn’t a big percentage, such that the vast percentage of couples are still living sexlessly.
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I'm referring to the time when divorce was illegal (or difficult) and spousal rape wasn't criminal.
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No I get your point. I just think most people don’t treat others that way, even when times were different.
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