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International Relations prof at U. Illinois. Senior Editor @ArcDigi. Author “Drones and Terrorism.” Politics, national security, and occasional nerdery.

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    1. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 May 3

      Nicholas Grossman Retweeted Ross Douthat

      This exemplifies your error: Viewing pre-sexual revolution sex through rose-colored glasses. Today's incels weren't in healthy, happy marriages in the 1950s. They're misogynist now, and they were misogynist then. The difference is between "involuntary celibacy" and spousal rape.https://twitter.com/DouthatNYT/status/992050300486864896 …

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      Ross DouthatVerified account @DouthatNYT
      3. How might the culture respond? One possibility is conservative and tacitly religious: Re-emphasis on chastity, monogamy, value of celibacy, etc., plus desexualization of pop culture.
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    2. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 May 3

      There were interesting things to think about in @DouthatNYT's piece: -The value our culture places on sex -The larger societal question of increasing loneliness -Potential consequences of sex robots -The benefits of considering extremist arguments (considering, not agreeing with)

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    3. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 May 3

      But @DouthatNYT undermined these interesting elements by indulging rather than rejecting "redistribution of sex," and erroneously assuming the "distribution" was better in 1950. We redistribute objects, like money. Sex isn't an object. It comes from a partnership with a subject.

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      Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 May 3

      Claiming that sex (viewed from the societal level) went downhill after the 1950s--which @DouthatNYT claims often--is myopically male and straight (and just a certain type of straight man too). Ignores domestic abuse, spousal rape, anti-LGBT discrimination, and more awfulness.

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        2. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 May 3

          Among the biggest changes regarding sex since the 1950s: strides towards female autonomy and LGBT equality. Hard to claim that society would be better off returning to 1950s sexual mores without thinking female autonomy and LGBT equality are undesirable. Or at least not caring.

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        3. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 May 3

          That being said, it's true that 21st century society (in US and many other countries) teaches that sex is part of the good life, and there are people who want sex but do not, for whatever reason, find willing partners.

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        4. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 May 3

          The incel community is unremittingly awful. But there are normal people--of various ages, genders, sizes, socioeconomic status, abilities--who want sex but can't find willing partners. Is that a societal problem? Not sure. But there is a disconnect with this and a pro-sex culture

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        5. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 May 3

          If we accept that this sexual disconnect is a societal problem, sex robots strike me as the least bad solution. Objects fulfill desire; no subject has to be coerced. @DouthatNYT calls this dystopian. But "redistributing" sex by returning to 1950s mores sounds much worse. (END)

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        2. Jerry Jordan‏ @lighthousejerry May 3
          Replying to @NGrossman81 @DouthatNYT

          He also assumes that all marriages involve “regular” sex. They do not. And therefore there are way more involuntary celibates than we realize. Upon divorce, avg couple has gone 3 years w/o sex. At 40% divorce rate, do the math.

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        3. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 May 3
          Replying to @lighthousejerry @DouthatNYT

          Right. That's why I brought up spousal rape. The idea that marriage always means sex requires willfully ignoring how that came to be true in way too many marriages before spousal rape was considered a crime.

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        4. Jerry Jordan‏ @lighthousejerry May 3
          Replying to @NGrossman81 @DouthatNYT

          And I think spousal rape while certainly something that happens, probably isn’t a big percentage, such that the vast percentage of couples are still living sexlessly.

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        5. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 May 3
          Replying to @lighthousejerry @DouthatNYT

          I'm referring to the time when divorce was illegal (or difficult) and spousal rape wasn't criminal.

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        6. Jerry Jordan‏ @lighthousejerry May 3
          Replying to @NGrossman81 @DouthatNYT

          No I get your point. I just think most people don’t treat others that way, even when times were different.

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