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International Relations prof at U. Illinois. Senior Editor @ArcDigi. Author “Drones and Terrorism.” Politics, national security, and occasional nerdery.

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    Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Apr 26

    Pleading the 5th is not an admission of guilt. Yes, I know Trump said it is. He's wrong. (He's often wrong). When you say what Trump said--even if you're just highlighting the hypocrisy--you're treating his wrong claim as if it's right. But it isn't.

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      2. Mark Hughes‏Verified account @markhughesfilms Apr 26
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        Cohen is a witness in a lawsuit against Trump. A witness in a civil case can take the 5th if testifying might implicate them in a crime. Further, in civil trial juries are allowed to infer "taking the 5th" suggests possible guilt.

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      3. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Apr 26
        Replying to @markhughesfilms

        Sure. But might and possible ≠ an admission.

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      4. Mark Hughes‏Verified account @markhughesfilms Apr 26
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        Well the legal standard for witnesses in a civil trial is you can only take the 5th if you fear testifying opens you to criminal prosecution. That's precisely why jury can then interpret THAT by a defendant as admission of guilt if they want.

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      5. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Apr 26
        Replying to @markhughesfilms

        Criminal prosecution for what? Maybe something unrelated. And the fear could be unwarranted. Not saying that’s the case for Cohen, but I am cautioning against treating the 5th, and attorney-client privilege, as proof of guilt for a specific crime. Some do not use them maliciously

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      2. The 2019 Mariners: World Series bound!‏ @bede777 Apr 26
        Replying to @dfrezzz @NGrossman81

        Generally not a good sign because there is a reason they are talking to you. Pleading the 5th makes him no more or less guilty than before he did. Plus, words can be twisted. Good reason to stay quiet. Example: pleading the 5th to McCarthy did not mean the person was a Commy.

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      4. The 2019 Mariners: World Series bound!‏ @bede777 Apr 26
        Replying to @dfrezzz @NGrossman81

        All I know is if Congress, Mueller, DAs, and Fed. Prosecutors were after me, guilty or innocent, all they would get from me is "lawyer", "5th", and my middle finger. More importantly though, great game tonight. #Mariners

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      1. Denise Rickard‏ @rickard_denise Apr 27
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        True, what do you make of Cohen's attorney getting a 90 day trial delay in the Stormy Daniels case because the criminal investigation would force him to take the 5th? Didn't that move suggest guilt on his part?

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      1. Clifton Baradell‏ @cbharra Apr 27
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        Or, one is highlighting Trump’s hypocrisy...

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      1. Ruyliev‏ @zetetic2017 Apr 26
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        I don't believe even Trump means it's an admission. But one can properly be dubious of someone's innocence if they so plead.

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