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International Relations prof at U. Illinois. Senior Editor @ArcDigi. Author “Drones and Terrorism.” Politics, national security, and occasional nerdery.

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    Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Apr 23

    Nicholas Grossman Retweeted Varad Mehta

    Either you think Trump’s bad for America, and therefore would like his administration checked more by Congress, or you don’t. And if you do—whether NeverTrump conservative or hardcore progressive—there’s no way after the last 1.5 years to think Republicans will provide that checkhttps://twitter.com/varadmehta/status/988541766214258688 …

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    Varad Mehta @varadmehta
    "Republicans who oppose Trump must vote for Democrats otherwise they don't really oppose Trump" is the same bullshit the left has been flinging for eighteen months. And people wonder why Trump was able to crush the GOP establishment and scatter it to the winds. https://twitter.com/MaxBoot/status/988536601147006976 …
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      2. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Apr 23

        Midterms force conservative Trump critics to choose: check or enable? Given Congress’ performance, voting R = enable, and even just not voting D = don’t check. But being confronted with this choice seems to really bother some NeverTrump conservatives. They’d rather duck it.

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      3. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Apr 23

        While they don’t like Trump, what they *really* don’t like are Democrats. But that means they’re not NeverTrump. They’d just prefer he do some things better (and do some, mostly rhetoric-related, things less). So they’d like to criticize, but not if it requires them to sacrifice.

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      4. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Apr 23

        Not a coincidence many of the people arguing conservatives should vote Dem to check Trump come from the foreign policy and law enforcement communities. Both value something above partisan policy disagreements (and admittedly get a little annoyed when others don’t). (END)

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      2. craigsuperstar‏ @craigsuperstar Apr 23
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        If all issues before Congress were referenda upon Trump with no actual policy implications, this would be true.

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      3. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Apr 23
        Replying to @craigsuperstar

        They're not, obviously. But Boot and others like him believe those policy implications are less important. As with all voting decisions, it's a question of priorities.

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      4. craigsuperstar‏ @craigsuperstar Apr 23
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        Sure, but why give simpleton tribalists like @MaxBoot serious consideration at all?

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      5. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Apr 23
        Replying to @craigsuperstar @MaxBoot

        What makes him a tribalist?

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      6. craigsuperstar‏ @craigsuperstar Apr 23
        Replying to @NGrossman81 @MaxBoot

        As you say, he is putting identification with Trump over policy concerns. Assuming he actually has any of the latter, that is.

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      7. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Apr 23
        Replying to @craigsuperstar @MaxBoot

        He's a conservative military historian--I assign some of his work in one of my classes--who believes Trump is actively damaging American foreign policy/national security. I can understand why you'd disagree with his position, but you're not assessing him accurately.

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      2. Varad Mehta‏ @varadmehta Apr 23
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        Screaming "Why won't Republicans stop being Republicans?!" isn't going to do anything to stop Trump. Maybe one day that lesson will be learned.

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      3. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Apr 23
        Replying to @varadmehta

        Resistance types do that, but Boot didn’t. That’s why I’m disagreeing with your claim that one cannot be NeverTrump without being a liberal, or that voting D to check Trump requires supporting all Dem policies. It’s just prioritizing a check on the president.

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      4. Varad Mehta‏ @varadmehta Apr 23
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        What's the functional difference if you're saying vote for Democrats? How does that advance the Republican agenda?

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      5. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Apr 23
        Replying to @varadmehta

        It doesn’t. At least not when conceiving of the Republican agenda as whatever the Republican Party currently wants. But if you care about principles more that partisanship, and Trump’s violating those principles, then standing up for them is more important.

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      1. Troublesome Frog‏ @TroublesomeF Apr 23
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        I may be underestimating my partisanship, but I'm 99% sure I'd vote for a generic R if the D had terrifying personality flaws like Trump. How would that support the D agenda? It wouldn't. Sometimes choices are hard and we don't get everything we want.

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      2. Ryan Huber‏ @ryanmhuber Apr 24
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        How do I know Dems will be able to check Trump effectively, and will it be worth whatever policies they instatiate (deals they make with Trump) that I disagree with? I think this is a valid question for conservatives.

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      1. CTIronman‏ @CTIronman Apr 23
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        2024 “I voted in 2018 to check Trump. Now the guys I voted for banned private health insurance, brought back Carter era tax brackets & disbanded ICE. I didn’t vote for that!”

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