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International Relations prof at U. Illinois. Senior Editor @ArcDigi. Author “Drones and Terrorism.” Politics, national security, and occasional nerdery.

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    1. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Apr 5

      Abortion is murder but shouldn't be punished. How to square that circle? We punish killing except in self-defense, war (mostly), and accident (sometimes). Abortion is none of those. "Murder" is the word for unjustified killing that must, in the name of justice, be punished. 1/x

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      Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Apr 5

      If you don't want to punish women who get abortions as murderers--or at least as accessories to murder--then you think abortion is justified killing, or you don't think it's murder at all. 2/x

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        2. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Apr 5

          I don't think it's murder, which makes it easy for me to say abortion should not be punished. As I argue in this article, it's not murder because a fetus is not the same as a person. But that doesn't mean it has zero moral value, like a few skin cells. 3/xhttps://arcdigital.media/the-legality-and-morality-of-abortion-5f771ebe27fd …

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        3. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Apr 5

          That article's part of a philosophical debate about abortion in @ArcDigi, which I think is one of the best things we've published. Here's the first entry, by @bernybelvedere https://arcdigital.media/abortion-is-wrong-even-if-the-fetus-is-not-a-person-bd7552841366 … 4/x

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        4. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Apr 5

          Kevin Williamson saying women who get abortions should be hanged is ridiculous. But he's right that murder should be punished. I don't know Williamson's intentions, but he highlighted a contradiction in pro-life arguments. If abortion shouldn't be punished, it's not murder. (END)

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        2. Mike Chen‏ @Mike_chen2 Apr 5
          Replying to @NGrossman81

          Interesting dichotomy here. I will borrow your idea.

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        3. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Apr 6
          Replying to @Mike_chen2

          Thanks. And by all means, please do.

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        1. Lewis‏ @DerAmiDerReist Apr 6
          Replying to @NGrossman81

          Pro-life people know that. I’m pro-life and my pro-life political activist friends just don’t publicize the conclusion of the logic because they know it wouldn’t sell well. I totally support punishing people who commit infanticide.

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        1. Duncy Fergie‏ @Duncans_Eggs Apr 5
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          Until week 9-12, there's no difference between frozen embryo & embryo in woman, & this is when civilized countries end w/pill

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        1. Duncy Fergie‏ @Duncans_Eggs Apr 5
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          Is dropping and accidentally losing a frozen embryo manslaughter

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        1. hoosiertoo‏ @hoosiertoo Apr 5
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          Or worse, you're afraid of calling a spade a spade because it's socially unacceptable and someone might not like you. Moral cowardice.

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        1. Alison Kelly‏ @Kelly1Alison Apr 5
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          Murder is the unjustified killing of a person. Most disagreement regarding abortion rests in debate over when someone becomes a “person”. This explains the diversity of opinion even among pro choice activists - Some are ok with abortion w/n 6 weeks, but against it at 6 months.

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