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International Relations prof at U. Illinois. Senior Editor @ArcDigi. Author “Drones and Terrorism.” Politics, national security, and occasional nerdery.

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    1. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Mar 27

      Nicholas Grossman Retweeted

      So many keep getting this wrong. Damore's error wasn't noting research shows differences between sexes on average. It was claiming this proves women aren't suited for tech jobs. Avg differences in the entire population don't tell us about the small subpopulation of tech recruits. https://twitter.com/RoundSqrCupola/status/978481792163504128 …

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    2. craigsuperstar‏ @craigsuperstar Mar 27
      Replying to @NGrossman81

      That was the popular misinterpretation, but if you read the memo he said women might be less inclined to working in tech, not less suitable.

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    3. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Mar 28
      Replying to @craigsuperstar

      It says both. Also doesn't sufficiently consider non-biological reasons why women might be less inclined. I think we've been back-and-forth on this a few times.

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    4. craigsuperstar‏ @craigsuperstar Mar 28
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      Yes, here is the endpoint of the last back and forth: https://twitter.com/craigsuperstar/status/951251792955826176?s=19 …

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    5. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Mar 28
      Replying to @craigsuperstar

      I gave examples in the article. For instance, he writes that women have higher levels of neuroticism, which helps explain why there's fewer women in high stress jobs, while men have a higher drive for status, which is why they're more likely to pursue high-powered careers.

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    6. craigsuperstar‏ @craigsuperstar Mar 28
      Replying to @NGrossman81

      That doesn't mean they're unfit, though, just that they might have more anxiety about their job. Is Woody Allen unfit for the high stress job of directing? (Or Lena Dunham for showrunning?)

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    7. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Mar 28
      Replying to @craigsuperstar

      He specifies that the trait is a bad fit for working in tech.

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    8. craigsuperstar‏ @craigsuperstar Mar 28
      Replying to @NGrossman81

      His comment is that lower stress tolerance may account for fewer women in high stress jobs, not that it makes them bad at those jobs.

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    9. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Mar 28
      Replying to @craigsuperstar

      How's that different than saying they're not suited for those jobs? If lower stress tolerance is biological, then women are less biologically suited, on average, for high stress jobs. Sure, some can overcome those biological disadvantages, but they're still inherent disadvantages

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    10. craigsuperstar‏ @craigsuperstar Mar 28
      Replying to @NGrossman81

      A preference is not a disadvantage. It means if an individual is asking for the job, then concerns about fit can be discounted.

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      Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Mar 28
      Replying to @craigsuperstar

      A preference is a preference. Damore argues that the preference comes from inherently lacking the skills necessary to succeed at the job--in this case the ability to manage stress and focus on a technical task.

      2:46 PM - 28 Mar 2018 from Urbana, IL
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        2. craigsuperstar‏ @craigsuperstar Mar 28
          Replying to @NGrossman81

          He didn't say anything about technical ability, or even ability to manage stress; that's from you. He said that a smaller number of women would put up with a high stress environment. By the time G gets to the offer stage, the individual applicant can decide that for themselves.

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        3. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Mar 28
          Replying to @craigsuperstar

          Why would a smaller number of women put up with a high stress environment?

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        4. craigsuperstar‏ @craigsuperstar Mar 28
          Replying to @NGrossman81

          Who cares?

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        5. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Mar 28
          Replying to @craigsuperstar

          Damore's memo offers an answer to my question. Deliberately ignoring that answer is why you're mischaracterizing his argument.

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        6. craigsuperstar‏ @craigsuperstar Mar 28
          Replying to @NGrossman81

          He notes that women are more inclined to neuroticism, and therefore more women than men might be put off by high stress. But for any individual applicant, who cares?

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