(THREAD ON TORTURE) Yes, waterboarding is torture. US convicted Japanese soldiers of war crimes for waterboarding in WWII. Watch video of it (not recommended)--it's obviously torture. But no, torture's not "entirely unreliable." Torture opponents should stop saying so. Here's why https://twitter.com/DocPeteyJ/status/974044222071259136 …
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The problem with the "torture sometimes works" argument is that... sometimes it doesn't. That lack of reliability (and predictability) far outweighs the indeterminite amount of 'information' collected. Retaining our humanity is worth more than that.
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Every form of interrogation fails sometimes. They all produce accurate and inaccurate information. Sorting through that is a core part of the job.
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Agreed, but simply 'tossing a coin' is a significantly more predictive method than that being used to validate the effectiveness of torture. As you said, "Scientifically, it's [does torture work?] impossible to answer. Can't run an experiment with a control group."
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Impossible to answer if an alternative method would have worked better. Not impossible to answer if torture worked at all. It's hotly debated. But at least some interrogators who used torture insist it works. My point is whether it works doesn't matter.http://www.newsweek.com/2015/10/16/former-cia-interrogator-david-martines-story-380520.html …
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Sounds like we are in violent agreement.
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A good way of putting it, tho I suspect torture works far too infrequently to trust in any 1 case (so why?). But if it does work enough to give even marginally useful results, 1 victim of evil is better than 10s—or 1000s. Your argument might be 'bringing a knife to a gun fight'.
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