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International Relations prof at U. Illinois. Senior Editor @ArcDigi. Author “Drones and Terrorism.” Politics, national security, and occasional nerdery.

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    Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 23 Dec 2017

    Stop calling the tax bill undemocratic. Yes, I know polls say it's very unpopular. And no, I don't think it's good policy. But elected majorities in the House and Senate voted for it and the president signed it. We don't govern by public opinion poll.

    8:41 PM - 23 Dec 2017 from Aspen Hill, MD
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      2. Johnsey StableOWL‏ @CS3_johnsey 24 Dec 2017
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        If there is a skunk in my garage, the whole damn family will be in favor of getting it out. The skunk would probably quote your last statement.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      3. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 24 Dec 2017
        Replying to @CS3_johnsey

        If your family elected the skunk, that would be a weird choice.

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      4. Johnsey StableOWL‏ @CS3_johnsey 24 Dec 2017
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        That would be a weird response to a family that doesn't vote for skunks. At any rate, have a very merry skunkless Christmas season. (Sincerely)

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      5. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 24 Dec 2017
        Replying to @CS3_johnsey

        You too. 😀

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      2. Ken Krown‏ @kenkrown 23 Dec 2017
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        Agreed, but the process by which the bill was created was very opaque and not in accordance with normal order. I think that’s what has many people so upset.

        2 replies 1 retweet 12 likes
      3. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 23 Dec 2017
        Replying to @kenkrown

        Agreed

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      2. Michael Esposito‏ @meesposito 24 Dec 2017
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        Technically, you are correct. It's probably better to call it secretive, unethical, self-serving, and a travesty of what it means to be a representative of your state or district. I see how much my kids are struggling and this won't help them any.

        1 reply 1 retweet 4 likes
      3. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 24 Dec 2017
        Replying to @meesposito

        Sure, that works.

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      2. Having Said That  🗣‏ @Lalaej 23 Dec 2017
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        1. Not following rules of order 2. Buyoff by billionaires threat 3. Middle class expiration date vs permanent corporate 4. Not allowing public comment=at very least, a kleptocratic grab that keeps poor people unable to reach middle class. Plus no renewal of #CHIP or #DACA

        1 reply 3 retweets 14 likes
      3. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 23 Dec 2017
        Replying to @Lalaej

        Those are reasons to dislike it.

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      4. Deb‏ @DebWilhelm69 24 Dec 2017
        Replying to @NGrossman81 @Lalaej

        Not following the rules of order seems undemocratic to me. Failing to listen to their constituents also isn’t democratic. They were elected to represent us, not to enrich themselves at our expense.

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      2. David Ernst‏ @DaveErnesto 24 Dec 2017
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        Yeah, but they did barely any public hearings on it and I don’t think the President did even one town hall on it. Let’s call it democratic-light. Def made with rice.

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      3. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 24 Dec 2017
        Replying to @DaveErnesto

        This is my favorite response. 👏

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      2. Fran Tomlinson‏ @tomlinson_fran 24 Dec 2017
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        The house does not represent the majority of Americans. Most Americans identify as Democrats, but have been gerrymandered out of representation.

        1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
      3. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 24 Dec 2017
        Replying to @tomlinson_fran

        I agree that gerrymandering is problematic. But far fewer than half of all Americans identify as Democrats. (Latest numbers: 30%)http://news.gallup.com/poll/15370/party-affiliation.aspx …

        2 replies 1 retweet 1 like
      4. Fran Tomlinson‏ @tomlinson_fran 24 Dec 2017
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        Sorry. I should have said more Americans identify as Democrats vs. GOP and that more Americans vote for Democrats than for Republicans.

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      2. Sara Mitchell‏ @sbmitche 23 Dec 2017
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        When representatives stop representing the median voter in their district, you don't have democracy either

        1 reply 1 retweet 9 likes
      3. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 23 Dec 2017
        Replying to @sbmitche

        Are we sure they’re not? Accounting for voters’ issue rankings, reps can represent the median voter in general without representing the median voter on a given issue Also, it has to be median on Election Day, not any given day (Gerrymandering’s problematic, but you said district)

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      2. davidrlurie‏ @davidrlurie 24 Dec 2017
        Replying to @NGrossman81 @powellnyt

        It reflects fact that GOP Congress is answerable to very small group of donors, and not to voters. In that respect, it is profoundly undemocratic.

        2 replies 1 retweet 2 likes
      3. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 24 Dec 2017
        Replying to @davidrlurie @powellnyt

        The influence of donors wasn't a secret, and came up repeatedly in 2016. Voters picked them anyway. If voters don't like it, hopefully they'll vote for different candidates next time.

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      4. davidrlurie‏ @davidrlurie 24 Dec 2017
        Replying to @NGrossman81 @powellnyt

        The tax bill in fact is a text book example of anti-democracy. It was drafted in secret and passed before it could be scrutinized even by those legislators who voted for it. Corker's defense to claims that he benefitted from the pass through provision was that he did not read it

        1 reply 1 retweet 1 like
      5. davidrlurie‏ @davidrlurie 24 Dec 2017
        Replying to @davidrlurie @NGrossman81 @powellnyt

        As this article explains, open and notorious corruption of democracy is corruption nonetheless.https://www.brennancenter.org/blog/how-citizens-united-changed-politics-and-shaped-tax-bill#.Wjwn6vDQoHY.twitter …

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