I would say "moral" rather than "real". The Marxists, though, are dedicated to dogma guaranteed to make the pie smaller.
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Both regularly argue that someone (workers/makers) rightfully owns more things than, in reality, they own, and that the current distribution is a distortion of reality. Except it is reality.
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They are both materialist. I think it does a disservice to both to claim they don't acknowledge current reality.
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Acknowledge it, yes. And complain about it, on the grounds that it's artificially distorted. We agree. We're just using slightly different language to say the same thing.
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I think we can accept this if we believe in natural-lottery arguments. Marxists et al.'s claim is that moral desert applies to distribution. But yes, if it doesn't, then we can only really ask what the consequences of some proposed, new distribution would be.
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Exactly- like Plato in his day- they want to abolish politics.
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Agreed; however you forgot another factor... the corruption in the government that effects said distribution.
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