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International Relations prof at U. Illinois. Senior Editor @ArcDigi. Author “Drones and Terrorism.” Politics, national security, and occasional nerdery.

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    1. Avi Woolf, WTF Conservative 🌍‏ @AviWoolf 5 Dec 2017

      Oppose moving the embassy because you want it as a trump, think Jerusalem should not be Israeli at all, or because it will anger Sunni allies? Fine, make that case. Spare me the stupid scare mongering about violence and bloodshed.

      2 replies 1 retweet 5 likes
    2. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 5 Dec 2017
      Replying to @AviWoolf

      Let me flip it around. What’s the point of doing it? What does the US gain?

      3 replies 1 retweet 0 likes
    3. Avi Woolf, WTF Conservative 🌍‏ @AviWoolf 5 Dec 2017
      Replying to @NGrossman81

      Now? Dunno. There are many things more pressing for both Israel and the US. Guessing Trump wants a PR win and keeping his election promise. As for what the US could gain, see below, next tweet.

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    4. Avi Woolf, WTF Conservative 🌍‏ @AviWoolf 5 Dec 2017
      Replying to @AviWoolf @NGrossman81

      It could gain a negotiating trump with Israel, making a major move which would be repaid in hard coin. It would also take a major sticking point off the table which Palestinians used to use against Israel prior to their demands being met. And yes, a lot of harm could happen, too

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    5. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 5 Dec 2017
      Replying to @AviWoolf

      The US should do it so Israel will owe America one? Israel already owes the US a lot. And what does the US want from Israel that it's not getting already? The second point is arguably in Israel's interests, but that's why I asked about the United States' interests.

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    6. Avi Woolf, WTF Conservative 🌍‏ @AviWoolf 5 Dec 2017
      Replying to @NGrossman81

      Again, would smooth an already rightwing government to move to the table. I.e. "You're not getting a friendlier admin than mine."

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      Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 5 Dec 2017
      Replying to @AviWoolf

      What's the value of moving to the table? It's not an achievement if it doesn't produce anything (again)--and I don't see any reason why the same sticking points wouldn't come up (again). Especially since the precursor would be something Israel wants and the Palestinians don't.

      4:42 PM - 5 Dec 2017 from Urbana, IL
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        2. Avi Woolf, WTF Conservative 🌍‏ @AviWoolf 5 Dec 2017
          Replying to @NGrossman81

          You'll have to ask all the other presidents who made similar efforts and who clearly saw value in setting up meetings even if they led to nothing.

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        3. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 5 Dec 2017
          Replying to @AviWoolf

          Only if you assume nothing’s changed over the last decade or two.

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        4. Avi Woolf, WTF Conservative 🌍‏ @AviWoolf 5 Dec 2017
          Replying to @NGrossman81

          ? Both Bush and Obama had summits and meetings. Not saying it means anything but it's standard American procedure and has been since 1949.

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        5. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 5 Dec 2017
          Replying to @AviWoolf

          I know that. But they held those meetings aiming to achieve something. What I don’t see is how shifting the balance further towards the stronger side serves that goal.

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        6. Avi Woolf, WTF Conservative 🌍‏ @AviWoolf 5 Dec 2017
          Replying to @NGrossman81

          The US gave Israel, technically the "stronger side," enormous amounts of military aid in 1969-73, which gave it the cushion to make concessions.

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        7. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 5 Dec 2017
          Replying to @AviWoolf

          This is an example of why I brought up changes in recent decades. ‘73 is 44 years ago. On the other side from Israel were multiple more populous states. You don’t need the scare quotes. Israel is much, much stronger than the Palestinians.

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        8. Avi Woolf, WTF Conservative 🌍‏ @AviWoolf 5 Dec 2017
          Replying to @NGrossman81

          Militarily, not politically/diplomatically, at least not until recently w/India breaking rank.

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