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International Relations prof at U. Illinois. Senior Editor @ArcDigi. Author “Drones and Terrorism.” Politics, national security, and occasional nerdery.

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    Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 2 Dec 2017

    Democratic talking point: Republicans wouldn't even give Senators time to read the tax bill. Factually accurate. And on principle, they're right. But what difference would it make? No Dems would've voted Yes after learning more about what's in it. And Republicans don't care.

    9:34 AM - 2 Dec 2017 from Illinois, USA
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      2. Joseph 'Trick or Eat' Satan‏ @JoeAconite 2 Dec 2017
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        More time to report to the public what's in the thing they added. Just about that.

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      3. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 2 Dec 2017
        Replying to @JoeAconite

        If you assume that would have resulted in two Senators changing their votes, then it would've mattered. Otherwise, informing the public does the same thing after passage as before.

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      2. Lu Who‏ @LuWho2You 2 Dec 2017
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        What difference? The opportunity for the American people to understand what was happening.

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      3. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 2 Dec 2017
        Replying to @LuWho2You

        It's not law yet. The American people have some time to understand what's happening.

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      4. Lu Who‏ @LuWho2You 2 Dec 2017
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        It is dangerously closer than it was.

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      2. President Harambe‏ @POTUSHarambe 3 Dec 2017
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        I don't get this argument. Time to read the bill would've given Dems the opportunity to understand, publicize, and mobilize against the most shameful aspects. Make it maximally painful for GOP senators to vote yes. Some might've flipped like during healthcare.

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      3. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 3 Dec 2017
        Replying to @POTUSHarambe

        I'm skeptical that additional public pressure would've swayed votes in this instance. But the bill isn't law yet. The Senate will almost certainly have to take another vote, and if more time in the public eye would lead to some Senators switching to No, there's still time.

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      4. Daniel Hagelberg‏ @garbageplate 3 Dec 2017
        Replying to @NGrossman81 @POTUSHarambe

        You shouldn't be that skeptical, it worked with the Obama Care repeal, the whole: you'll kill 20 million people thing seemed to have caused lots of hand wringing and gained 3 votes.

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      2. Peace4all‏ @Peace4all17 2 Dec 2017
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        first it undercuts due process second knowing what’s the contents are would have allow mark up/rewrites/negotiation And let’s not over look procedural rules can’t be enforced this way either

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      3. Dedaism‏ @ArtAttackNYC 2 Dec 2017
        Replying to @Peace4all17 @NGrossman81

        Also as was pointed out on Maddow last night, it did not give the opportunity to communicate what’s in it to constituents

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      1. RidersOnTheStorm‏ @Jonbassett6 2 Dec 2017
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        They wanted more time to get the bill's contents into the public eye!

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      1. Russell Christopher‏ @russellc 2 Dec 2017
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        What it underscores is that it is lobbyists that wrote the bill, SNAFU

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