TO AMERICANS WHO OPPOSED THE TPP FROM THE LEFT: The 11 other countries are moving forward, but scrapped labor and environmental protections the US got them to include. Once again, you compared reality to imagined perfection rather than probable alternatives.
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Well said. The distinction between automation & trade is what people fail to understand.
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Yes, let's ignore the $600-$700 billion annual manufacturing trade deficit, and blame the robots. Or ignore that we had the same number of manufacturing jobs in 1971 that we had in 2000 (17.2 million). automation shedding 4.8 million manufacturing jobs is a dangerous myth.
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So what did shed 4.8m manufacturing jobs?
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The trade deficit in manufactured goods, and then the collapse in demand following the 2001 and 2007-09 recessions.http://www.epi.org/publication/manufacturing-job-loss-trade-not-productivity-is-the-culprit/ …
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That's BS... I absolutely friggin defy you to go to any WalMart or Target and place in a single cart all the products that are made overseas because of automation... the real reasons: cheap labor, lax compliance, environmental sacrifice etc
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Even if those figures are correct -- and not everyone agrees -- that's roughly 600,000 jobs that need not have been lost. The time could have been used to plan for future displacement.
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I'm personally pretty skeptical you can distangle the two very cleanly with global supply chains
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Bullshit. Even if true, bullshit. What was the cause of loss of manufacturing before the last 2 decades? "It's automation" is what neoliberals tell themselves so they feel better about their complicity in the global exploitation of working people.
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We had automation in manufacturing prior to 2000 but still managed to manitain a consistent 17-18 million manufacturing jobs for the prior 30 years. The sharp decline occurred only w China's accession to the WTO.
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Vox: "Why the rise of robots won't mean the end of work" https://youtu.be/TUmyygCMMGA Interesting video on topic.
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It's notable that making e.g. cotton trousers in the US would make Americans poorer and diminish the number of American jobs in total—although we'd have more pants manufacturing jobs (maybe). It's not as simple as "Job X is no longer available, so there are fewer jobs".
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There's this mythology about these agreements that they are "Fair.' Before the WTO, we had
#GATT. Was it not fair? Did GATT benefit FAIR trade? Yes—some are protectionist. Some are reactionaries. But don't make the mistake of lumping all "Left" in the same pot. We are not stupid.Thanks. Twitter will use this to make your timeline better. UndoUndo
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Using that logic—why, then, does Ford move a plant to Mexico/South America etc—to make 'automation' cheaper? 'FreeTrade' favors shareholders—not middle class workers; favors Big Ag/Food, not family/local farms; genuflects before Big Pharma—and stifles alternatives, to name a few.
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I agree it's better to help these people, but that doesn't seem to really happen. So far, anyways.
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That’s an interesting statistic. Do you have a source of this info? I’d like to learn more about it. Thx
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Bullshit. One low quality paper quoted over and over. Find another cite.
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Having trouble accepting this at face value when virtually everything I touch says "made in (not here)". Source?
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