TO AMERICANS WHO OPPOSED THE TPP FROM THE LEFT: The 11 other countries are moving forward, but scrapped labor and environmental protections the US got them to include. Once again, you compared reality to imagined perfection rather than probable alternatives.
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I would have greatly preferred some 'less than optimal' compromises to abdicating our leadership role in the Pacific to PRC. And now a 'historic trip' to the area to tell them how much we care. Perhaps the poster child for mixed messaging.
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Explain how the Pacific is “ours” to lead. The PRC has 4 times our population and “lives” in the neighborhood
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Idk, maybe because the US is a Pacific country? Ever been to CA before?
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Right. But all the other countries are over by China in the Western part. I wasn't saying US wasn't partly "Pacific", but only that there's no particular reason (other than maintaining hegemony) that US should be the "leader".
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Since Teddy Roosevelt's Great White Fleet, thru the rapid expansion in 1937-45 (the largest naval force ever), the USN has ruled the Pacific waves. And most, including China, have benefitted from that.
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Finally! A voice of reason



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Negotiation in our country now seems to mean All-Or-Nothing. The GOP has made compromise a dirty word. So we all suffer.
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And in every book that you read about negotiation, you see that a good negotiation is where there are no winners and losers. Both parties get some of what they want. This was considered an art. Sigh.
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This is a dubious argument. The reasonable choice between a bad TPP and a worse TPP is not the bad TPP. It’s withdrawing from the deal as to not participate in harm until such time as a good deal is forged.
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No one at the table was there to represent working Americans.
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So you like having corporate crony lawyers deciding how much a country should pay in a fine for following their own laws?
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Interesting that food safety qualifies as "reasonable argument" but protracted debate on labor shld be dropped. We should always being pushing toward internationalist framework on labor & justice. Liberal reforms with no teeth prob don't qualify.
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I had issues with things one was food safety another was copyright laws veing superseded that could end fair use.
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