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International Relations prof at U. Illinois. Senior Editor @ArcDigi. Author “Drones and Terrorism.” Politics, national security, and occasional nerdery.

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    Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Oct 13

    Trump says Saudis will pay a price for Khashoggi... IF they did it AND they deny it BUT we're looking into it Maybe he's being diplomatic, waiting for facts before accusing anyone (first time for everything). Or maybe he's prepping to defend Saudis from accusations, as with Putin

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      2. (((Ⓥ)))‏ @jaggy_mince Oct 13
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        I think it's Kushner who he is preparing to defend - apparently he handed over the names of anti-Saudi dissidents to the Kingdom in exchange for a bail-out of his disastrous 666 5th Avenue screw-up.

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      3. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Oct 13
        Replying to @jaggy_mince

        The bailout loan for 666 Fifth came from Qataris, not Saudis. But yes, Kushner handed over US intel on various Saudis (not all dissidents), assisting the crown prince's "corruption" crackdown that wasn't primarily about corruption.

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      4. (((Ⓥ)))‏ @jaggy_mince Oct 13
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        Point taken, but what then was the quid pro quo for 'naming names'. I can't believe he would do that out of love for the House of Saud.

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      5. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Oct 13
        Replying to @jaggy_mince

        Love? Probably not. Though it looks like Kushner was really taken with MBS on a personal level. I think the most likely explanation is Jared genuine thinks going all-in on Saudi Arabia (and Israel) vs. Iran was a good idea for American foreign policy in the Middle East.

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      2. Duncy Fergie‏ @Duncans_Eggs Oct 13
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        It feels like quid pro quo look the other way on Kashoggi we get Erdogan to release the pastor. I know timing coincidences happen, and logically that's all it is.

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      3. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Oct 13
        Replying to @Duncans_Eggs

        In that scenario, what's Turkey getting? You listed two things Turkey's giving up. US got something. Saudis got something. What did Turkey get?

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      4. Duncy Fergie‏ @Duncans_Eggs Oct 13
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        Yeah that's why my rational brain says its coincidence. The only thing I can think of is Erdogan getting weapons or a boatload of cash

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      5. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Oct 13
        Replying to @Duncans_Eggs

        I haven't seen any reports of either. Doesn't mean it's impossible, but I'd hold off on assuming that unless there's some evidence.

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      6. Duncy Fergie‏ @Duncans_Eggs Oct 13
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        Right. Plus if Erdogan has cover it'll be easily seen in actions in the coming months. If nothing happens, my thought is obvious bullshit ha

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      2. Mary Rose (Don't Boo Vote)‏ @Beutifulgame Oct 13
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        But as Trump said he's not American and don't want to lose the Saudi weapon contract income.

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      3. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Oct 13
        Replying to @Beutifulgame

        That's a big clue where this is headed. It's also analytically flawed. Saudis aren't buying weapons as a favor.

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      2. Ruth Sokey‏ @rannrsokey Oct 13
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        # Two.

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      3. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Oct 13
        Replying to @rannrsokey

        I'm leaning two too.

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      4. Ruth Sokey‏ @rannrsokey Oct 13
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        Strictly going by past experiences, of course.😐

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      2. Chase Duncan‏ @realchaseduncan Oct 13
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        Does he face any real consequence in siding with the Saudis? He only cares about his base and I don't see how the Trump voter cares about this. GOP pols won't leave him as long as he has the base. Global condemnation doesn't matter to him. What price can he pay?

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      3. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Oct 13
        Replying to @realchaseduncan

        Trump personally? Probably not (at least in the short term). And there'd be a personal cost for him, as Saudi money flowing to his businesses could dry up. But for America, the Middle East, journalism, truth, basic morality? Real consequences.

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      1. P. Harris‏ @not_p_harris Oct 14
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        Obviously we need a 1 week FBI investigation directed from the White House to determine whether the Saudis are guilty of Kashoggi's murder.

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      1. Kim Hurdman‏ @kimhurdman Oct 14
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        Putin.. Kavanaugh. “Where the evidence?” It’s the Lance Armstrong Standard: “extraordinary accusations require extraordinary proof”. No proof =no crime

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      1. Bryon MacDonald‏ @bryonworks Oct 14
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        What's the difference between Iranian acts of repression and Saudi Arabian acts of repression I am really curious how the US parses this out?

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      1. Dan Cofran‏ @dancofran Oct 14
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        Trump and Saudi Arabia. Maybe the Saudis have something on him just like Putin may.

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