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International Relations prof at U. Illinois. Senior Editor @ArcDigi. Author “Drones and Terrorism.” Politics, national security, and occasional nerdery.

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    Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Oct 12

    a) Saudis wanted to take out Khashoggi quietly, badly messed up. b) Saudis wanted to kill Khashoggi loudly to send a message to critics ("this is what happens when you criticize MBS!") and possibly Turkey ("look at what we can do on your soil!") Has to be a or b. Neither is good.

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      2. Irreverent Testimony‏ @IrreverentDuo Oct 12
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        c) The Saudis knew the response from the White House would be tepid, if existent.

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      3. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Oct 12
        Replying to @IrreverentDuo

        That would be consistent with both options. a) Risk is lower than usual, because if it goes bad, the White House won't do anything. b) Time to assert ourselves forcefully. The White House is, tacitly or explicitly, giving us the green light.

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      4. Irreverent Testimony‏ @IrreverentDuo Oct 12
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        I thought at first it was a) but am getting a sick feeling it might have been b), Worse yet, if that did prove to be true, the most we'd get from Congress is more furrowed brows and "concern."

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      5. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Oct 12
        Replying to @IrreverentDuo

        From the Trump administration yes. But Congress seems to care. Many from both parties started the US down the path towards sanctions. We'll see.

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      6. Irreverent Testimony‏ @IrreverentDuo Oct 12
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        It's all talk right now. I don't have faith they'll do anything to actually check this POTUS. Certainly not now, less than 4 weeks from an election. Yes, once upon a time they passed Russia sanctions, but that was a different time.

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      7. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Oct 12
        Replying to @IrreverentDuo

        Cynical, but you may be right. We'll see.

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      2. Wangler‏ @Akh96Wangler Oct 12
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        Turkey announced to the world they had audio/video proof AND they didn't want to compromise methods. Those two statements directly at odds. They could've shared with allied IC confidentially, but chose not too.

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      3. Wangler‏ @Akh96Wangler Oct 12
        Replying to @Akh96Wangler @NGrossman81

        And, release of pastor convenient timing. And, SA offered Turkey a joint investigation, which they accepted....that last is kinda weird.

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      4. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Oct 12
        Replying to @Akh96Wangler

        I don't think that's weird. Better to be involved than on the outside. Show concern. Take it seriously. Then declare the investigation cleared you (whether it did or not), and say any reports to the contrary are biased fake news.

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      5. Wangler‏ @Akh96Wangler Oct 12
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        It makes sense if you are SA, sure. I meant it makes no sense for Turkey. Did Scotland Yard join a Russian sponsored 'joint investigation' re: the poisonings? I'll have to look, but I don't think so.

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      1. Jeff Winter‏ @DrJWinter Oct 12
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        A

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      1. Wangler‏ @Akh96Wangler Oct 12
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        It could be c, which might depend on whether Turkey considers SA a regional rival, or if a US/SA rift is in their perceived best interest.

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      2. Wangler‏ @Akh96Wangler Oct 12
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        They wanted to take him out quietly, with a 15-man goon squad? M-Kay.

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      3. Wangler‏ @Akh96Wangler Oct 12
        Replying to @Akh96Wangler @NGrossman81

        This guy pat of the hit squad: "One of the Saudi men was identified by Turkey's official Anadolu Agency and Sabah as Salah Muhammed al-Tubaiqi. He is listed on an official Saudi health website as the head of the forensic medicine department at the interior ministry." C'mon!

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