Clouding it further, men play longer matches at majors, creating about 50% more opportunities for infractions to be called.
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How in the world is this a misuse of data? The available data don't support the conclusion of biased enforcement.
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Because Greenwald declares the data proves no sexism when it doesn’t. Note, I didn’t say the data proves sexism either.
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He explicitly says the opposite of that in the next tweet.
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Your formulation leaves two options: either male tennis players misbehave more or male tennis umpires misbehave more. Do you see what you just did?
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I didn’t say anything about the gender of umpires.
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Yes, I see. Ok.
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Not really. It proves that men don’t “get away” with infractions as the more hysterical supporters of Serena claim.
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Maybe yes, maybe no. The metric that would answer that question is the ratio of infractions to punishment. Punishments on their own don’t tell us much.
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True, but the much higher number of punishments given to men (3:1) seriously undermines the claim that women are treated more harshly. Also women routinely get smaller sentences for the same crimes so tennis would have to be doing something very unusual to punish women more.
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So your conclusion of sexism is based on your theory that men and women behave differently?
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I didn’t conclude sexism. I criticized misuse of data.
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But I think, given the entirety of gg's thread, he was pointing out that the narrative, "men don't get called out for this behavior" was grossly wrong.
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Also the characteristic—“I strongly imply it is false—but nothing I’m saying actually falsifies what I’m criticizing...” carveout. Always creates lawyerly room for himself to squirm.
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That perfectly fits some of the responses I got.
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He’s been using that tergiversation for years. He lifted it, like many patterns and tics, from Chomsky.
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And as with both Chomsky and Greenwald, their admirers follow suit.
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Yeah, nothing like evidence to get in the way of a good narrative.
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Played tennis for years, was a huge fan back in the day, but stopped watching after McEnroe made a match with Borg last for days, and the girl who scream-grunted with every point.
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