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International Relations prof at U. Illinois. Senior Editor @ArcDigi. Author “Drones and Terrorism.” Politics, national security, and occasional nerdery.

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    Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Sep 11

    Nicholas Grossman Retweeted Burgess Everett

    1) Susan Collins is right. Threatening to fund her opponent if she doesn't vote a certain way is arguably a kind of bribery. 2) Is her objection that this money comes from many people, rather than one rich person, corporation, or PAC? Because that's the only difference I can seehttps://twitter.com/burgessev/status/1039633354268835840 …

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    Burgess EverettVerified account @burgessev
    Sen. Collins, to Newsmax, on crowd funding a challenger if she votes for Kavanaugh: “I consider this quid pro quo fundraising to be the equivalent of an attempt to bribe me to vote against Judge Kavanaugh." (Here's the fund: https://www.crowdpac.com/campaigns/387413/either-sen-collins-votes-no-on-kavanaugh-or-we-fund-her-future-opponent …)
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      1. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Sep 11

        What’s the difference between Susan Collins’ complaint of crowd-funded bribery and this👇, except the number of people funding the bribe? (Yes, that’s recently indicted Rep. Chris Collins, no relation)https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/chris-collins-donors-trump-tax-plan-bill-2017-11 …

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      2. Rupert Barker  🌐‏ @trepur349 Sep 11
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        It's not bribery. Campaign spending has a marginal impact on political outcomes and doesn't directly benefit the candidate unless they start illegally using it for personal expenses. Bribery, money that goes to them not their campaign, directly benefits them and should be illegal

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      3. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Sep 11
        Replying to @trepur349

        It’s legal, while bribery is not. That’s why I wrote “arguably a kind of bribery.” Philosophically, money to a candidate and money to a campaign aren’t much different. Candidates want both, and change behavior to get it.

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      4. Rupert Barker  🌐‏ @trepur349 Sep 12
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        That's not actually been proven, in fact most the literature analyzing money on politics suggests politicians probably don't change their behavior over contributions and that the vast majority of lobbying happens through other means.https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/0-387-28038-3_8 …

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      5. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Sep 12
        Replying to @trepur349

        I mean “behavior” broadly, including who they’ll meet with or take a call from.

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      2. Spook 🎃T. 👻Scarrington‏ @luketharrington Sep 11
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        If money is speech, and speech is free, isn’t bribery legal?

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      3. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Sep 11
        Replying to @luketharrington

        🤙

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      2. Elizabeth Picciuto‏Verified account @epicciuto Sep 11
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        I've been thinking a lot about this in the context of the Steyers and Kochs of the world withholding donations until they get a preferred position on a specific policy. Also an issue of overrepresention (I am not suggesting drastic measures or anything, just noting it)

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      3. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Sep 11
        Replying to @epicciuto

        I’m also just noting it. Philosophically distinguishing that sort of donation promise/threat from bribery/extortion isn’t easy. BTW, clearest example I know of with a policy-donation quid-pro-quo is Sheldon Adelson.

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      2. Sue Post‏ @sueplick Sep 11
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        your argument is specious. It implies that every considered donation to one candidate is a potential bribe to the opponent?

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      3. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Sep 11
        Replying to @sueplick

        I see a difference between a general donation to a candidate and a threatened/promised donation directly aimed at convincing an office-holder to vote a certain way on a specific thing.

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      4. Sue Post‏ @sueplick Sep 11
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        but we mostly donate to incumbents exactly _because_ of how they voted. The withholding of donations for 'bad' votes is implicit.

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      1. Ken Krown‏ @kenkrown Sep 11
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        Hmm, influence funding supported by many smaller donors instead of by one or several larger donors. The concept almost sounds - what’s that archaic word - democratic?

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      1.  🌵Vote = Voice  🙏‏ @srmduke87 Sep 11
        Replying to @NGrossman81 @AtticusGF

        It seems like a bribe would be offering HER the money.

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      1. Sharon M Winner‏ @sharonmwinner Sep 11
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        Nope, it’s funding free speech, as our Supreme Court has ruled in CitizensUnited. Expect more decisions favoring keeping big money in politics if Kavanaugh is on the Court.

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      1. Tom(my)‏ @dblgreen Sep 11
        Replying to @NGrossman81 @AtticusGF

        It’s not like she has any integrity

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      1. Lola Politicka‏ @lolapoliticka Sep 11
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        Bribery doesn't work like this. They will fund her OPPONENT. She gets nothing either way, except the PROMISE that if she votes for Kavanaugh, someone who opposes her will get vigorous support to unseat her. More of a threat, really.

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      1. Jerry Jordan‏ @lighthousejerry Sep 12
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        And btw, isn’t this what the NRA does as a threat to every Republican ???

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      1. Daniel‏ @DanielFReal Sep 12
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        I don't like this 'bad opinion tuesday' thing you're trying out

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      1. ghost tom‏ @TalkTomDotCom Sep 11
        Replying to @NGrossman81 @AtticusGF

        Isn’t that all fundraising?

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