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International Relations prof at U. Illinois. Senior Editor @ArcDigi. Author “Drones and Terrorism.” Politics, national security, and occasional nerdery.

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    Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Aug 20

    Nicholas Grossman Retweeted Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

    Those aren't Democratic Socialism. This is another sign our politics will continue devolving towards an internet comment section. Calling national parks Democratic Socialism is like responding to criticism of a regulation with "if you think government's so bad, move to Somalia!"https://twitter.com/Ocasio2018/status/1031202702871683072 …

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    Alexandria Ocasio-CortezVerified account @Ocasio2018
    US House candidate, NY-14
    Back home after a lovely few days off enjoying US examples of Democratic Socialism, like: - Acadia National Park - Café Co-ops (Def Top 5 best breakfast sandwiches I’ve ever had 🍳) - Supporting worker-owned businesses - Bonus: Spotted a @PPact helping people, per usual✌🏽💜 pic.twitter.com/xmiYXutfpS
    8:50 AM - 20 Aug 2018
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      2. Jerry Jordan‏ @lighthousejerry Aug 20
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        But isn’t government money spent that everyone benefits from, Democratic Socialism, as long as they are FOR it ( hence the Democratic part) ??

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      3. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Aug 20
        Replying to @lighthousejerry

        That's too generic. You basically described government spending in a democracy. Democratic socialism is a political ideology, advocating government spending on specific things in pursuit of specific goals.

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      4. Jerry Jordan‏ @lighthousejerry Aug 20
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        Sure, but what if my goal, was, say, a National Highway System. Or Medicare for All. Tell me how you can parse which one is Dem Soc ???

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      5. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Aug 20
        Replying to @lighthousejerry

        Medicare for All would move the country significantly to the left, raising both taxes and government spending by a lot and increasing gov's control of a big part of the economy. A National Highway System is the status quo and uncontroversial. The former's DemSoc, the latter's not

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      6. Jerry Jordan‏ @lighthousejerry Aug 20
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        That’s not fair. We’re debating MFA now. If I was proposing the NHS today you’d say it was crazy too. My point is that they are BOTH Dem Socialism. If the support was at 30% and they still did it, difft argument.

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      7. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Aug 20
        Replying to @lighthousejerry

        I don't see value in classifying all government spending on the public as democratic socialism. Then there's nothing distinguishing about democratic socialists. The specifics matter. They don't want to govern like Eisenhower. They want to make America more like Denmark.

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      8. Jerry Jordan‏ @lighthousejerry Aug 20
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        Agreed. But I feel like that’s a different argument. And classifications still matter, because we need to figure out what is helpful to everybody, versus helpful for a few. Welfare, college tuition - few. HC for All - everyone.

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      2. SteveBrant‏ @SteveBrant Aug 20
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        In case you didn't notice, #FDR was a #DemocraticSocialist Our Gov works best when it focuses on the #PublicGood, like @NatlParkService. Remember the #WPA of the #GreatDepression? #StudyHistory @Ocasio2018 @SenWarren @CynthiaNixon @SenSanders @BeschlossDC @DorisKGoodwin

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      3. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Aug 20
        Replying to @SteveBrant @NatlParkService and

        The idea of national parks goes back to the mid 19th century, and their biggest champion was Teddy Roosevelt. There's no centrist movement to get rid of them. Enjoying national parks is a mainstream, largely apolitical position.

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      4. SteveBrant‏ @SteveBrant Aug 20
        Replying to @NGrossman81 @NatlParkService and

        There may be no movement to eliminate #NationalParks, but @realDonaldTrump has made it easier to mine the natural resources contained within/reduced the size of some parks. This is NOT #TheAmericanWayhttps://www.politico.com/agenda/story/2018/02/28/trumps-mining-giveaway-000645 …

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      5. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Aug 20
        Replying to @SteveBrant @NatlParkService and

        This moves from my point about classification (what is and is not democratic socialism?) to one about policy (should we make it easier to mine natural resources in national parks?) The latter's a legitimate question. But it's tangential to the point I'm making.

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      6. SteveBrant‏ @SteveBrant Aug 20
        Replying to @NGrossman81 @NatlParkService and

        I see your distinction between classification & policy. My point is #FDR helped America survive b/c his policy choices came from same mindset as @Ocasio2018 & @SenSanders. And at least re: the environment, #TeddyRoosevelt thought like them too: #OneAmericanFamily #TheAmericanWay

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      2. Jerry Skurnik‏ @PrimeNewYork Aug 20
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        https://mises.org/library/if-you-love-nature-desocialize-it …

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      3. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Aug 20
        Replying to @PrimeNewYork

        Are you familiar with Mises? If a blog post from them, written in 2007, is the counter-evidence, my argument's really strong.

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      1. Justin Lee(rs at you corpsily)‏ @justindeanlee Aug 20
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        Let’s start jamming together other words we like as labels for unrelated things we also like: Localism = Soviet Federalism. Farm-to-table = Gluten-free Commissariat. Command Economy = Labor Justice. Ressentiment = Class Consciousness

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