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International Relations prof at U. Illinois. Senior Editor @ArcDigi. Author “Drones and Terrorism.” Politics, national security, and occasional nerdery.

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    Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Aug 16

    1) America was never that great 2) America was always great 3) America was great, but isn’t anymore 4) America has problems, but admirable ideals, and has gotten closer to those ideals over time (with occasional setbacks), which is great I say 4. And 3 is the least defensible

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      2. Thomas Juneau‏ @thomasjuneau Aug 16
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        5) America, for all its flaws, is the least bad great power option...

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      3. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Aug 16
        Replying to @thomasjuneau

        I'm fully on board with that one

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      2. Bria17 Cartier‏ @Flynbryn1 Aug 16
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        Agreed, but I understand no. 1 as well. The progression is too slow for too many.

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      3. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Aug 16
        Replying to @Flynbryn1

        To some extent I agree with both 1 and 2, even though they're contradictory. That contradiction's at the heart of America, and basically what I meant by 4.

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      2. Oaktree‏ @oaktreetech Aug 16
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        4 is always the answer with anything. Nothing is ever perfect. The drive for perfection rather than its actual attachment is the journey. We have goals for 0 recordable safety incidents at work. Not possible, but we never stop trying. Brady has lost super bowls, is he not great?

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      3. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Aug 16
        Replying to @oaktreetech

        Brady sucks. (Kidding. I acknowledge he is good at the footballing. But he still sucks. Let's go Buf-a-lo-o!)

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      2. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Aug 16
        Replying to @mbDunningKruger

        As you should

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      2. Jeremy Ray Jenkins‏ @JeremyRJenkins Aug 16
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        4. America is an experiment, one that remains more aspirational than operational, but all the alternatives to redoubling our striving for those aspirations are far, far worse.

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      3. Jeremy Ray Jenkins‏ @JeremyRJenkins Aug 16
        Replying to @JeremyRJenkins @NGrossman81

        A corollary to 4 is the idea that 1 is a correct answer for significant portions of our population, and that eliminates 2 and 3 as legitimate.

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      4. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Aug 16
        Replying to @JeremyRJenkins

        Exactly. One reason 3 is the least defensible is because romanticism about the 1950s as better than the 21st century requires ignoring large swaths of the population.

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      2. The Centrist Vet‏ @TerrieG633 Aug 17
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        4. But she’s on a slippery, dangerous, slope of pettiness, nationalism, & and anti- POC/immigrant-ism

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      3. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Aug 17
        Replying to @TerrieG633

        That's one of the occasional setbacks.

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      4. The Centrist Vet‏ @TerrieG633 Aug 17
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        That it is.

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      2. Lorinda Wright‏ @lorindigo Aug 16
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        #4, with the understanding that there is no country without problems. We are a noble nation with high ideals. We've been improving throughout history, until we hit a bump in 2016.

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      3. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Aug 16
        Replying to @lorindigo

        We've hit other bumps too. But overall, yeah.

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      4. Lorinda Wright‏ @lorindigo Aug 16
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        Ah yes, good point! But each time we have come out with expanded rights. This is the first time in history we're looking at revoking civil rights, potentially.

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      2. michael jack‏ @msiravo3 Aug 16
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        How seriously should we take a campaign slogan? Remember Hope and Change?

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      3. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Aug 16
        Replying to @msiravo3

        Considering the continuation of this one into the presidency -- via repetition, merchandising, and an identity formed around the acronym -- I'd say more seriously than most.

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      4. michael jack‏ @msiravo3 Aug 16
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        True. But anyone or anything short of perfection apparently cannot be great. All presidents have been flawed. All countries. Does it serve a purpose other than political to a crowd and tell the citizens of arguably the best country in history that it has never been great?

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