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International Relations prof at U. Illinois. Senior Editor @ArcDigi. Author “Drones and Terrorism.” Politics, national security, and occasional nerdery.

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    1. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Jul 13

      Dear Random Dudes on the Internet, We defined modern democracy decades ago. Not just voting. Includes protecting liberal freedoms, an independent judiciary, and more. Can be representative or direct. You can stop telling us it's actually a republic Thanks, Political Scientists

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    2. A single Moose‏ @Maineiack Jul 14
      Replying to @NGrossman81 @CathyYoung63

      Your conflating modern democracy with Western democracy. The West practices Western norms (IE liberalism) because they are in keeping with its traditions. Elsewhere in the world illiberal Traditions remain just as popular as they've ever been.

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    3. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Jul 14
      Replying to @Maineiack @CathyYoung63

      Japan and South Korea are democracies.

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    4. A single Moose‏ @Maineiack Jul 14
      Replying to @NGrossman81 @CathyYoung63

      You admit it yourself "WE" define democracy several decades. In the post-war period where only the Soviets had the strength to contend us. And they did contend us. That was known as the Cold War. Now how many others can contend us, hence the conflict.

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    5. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Jul 14
      Replying to @Maineiack @CathyYoung63

      “Us” in this context isn’t Americans or Westerners. It’s political scientists. Although Americans—and Westerners more broadly—have had a lot of influence over the field, the standard for what qualifies as a democracy is universal, and applied universally.

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    6. A single Moose‏ @Maineiack Jul 14
      Replying to @NGrossman81 @CathyYoung63

      The universality of liberal axioms is my contention. They were never "accepted" by the world so much as they were imposed in the greater context of Western hegemony. The belief thst no one has the right or ability to challenge them is a big part of why liberals are slipping up.

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    7. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Jul 14
      Replying to @Maineiack @CathyYoung63

      Your point is well taken, but it’s tangential to the post you replied to. I didn’t say anything about values. Just definition and classification. If a country chooses not to protect individual rights, some may think that’s better. But it’s not a democracy.

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    8. A single Moose‏ @Maineiack Jul 14
      Replying to @NGrossman81 @CathyYoung63

      Using your definition the United States was in a democracy the majority of its existence by virtue of not protecting the individual rights of minorities. That's my problem with it.

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      Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Jul 14
      Replying to @Maineiack @CathyYoung63

      By this definition, the US was not a democracy before women’s suffrage, and probably not until Civil Rights. At least not a full democracy.

      9:15 PM - 14 Jul 2018
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        1. A single Moose‏ @Maineiack Jul 14
          Replying to @NGrossman81 @CathyYoung63

          The idea that pure democracy is dangerous and should be constrained by liberalism (constitutionalism, separation of, ect) is not new. Unfortunately modern liberals often fail to argue the point because of our reliance on the liberal status quo. To our shame and perhaps defeat.

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        1. A single Moose‏ @Maineiack Jul 14
          Replying to @NGrossman81 @CathyYoung63

          It is important when arguing for liberalism that we do not use democracy as a qualifier because it inevitably results in tyrants taking power through Democratic means and us having no legitimate way of criticizing them in the public sphere.

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        1. A single Moose‏ @Maineiack Jul 14
          Replying to @NGrossman81 @CathyYoung63

          For example it's very popular to assume that every strong man in the world wins elections by cheating. While electoral fraud is most definitely a real problem it is not impossible for tyrants to have a genuine base of majority support. Assuming otherwise trips us up a lot.

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        1. A single Moose‏ @Maineiack Jul 14
          Replying to @NGrossman81 @CathyYoung63

          I would agree with a not a full democracy assessment. The problem with saying it's not a real democracy however is that it assumes democracy is exclusionary to illiberalism. I believe it is very important that we come to understand that that is not the case.

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