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International Relations prof at U. Illinois. Senior Editor @ArcDigi. Author “Drones and Terrorism.” Politics, national security, and occasional nerdery.

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    Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Jul 8

    Nicholas Grossman Retweeted Glenn Greenwald

    Stop calling Glenn Greenwald a Russian agent. He's helping Russia's information warfare strategy inadvertently--out of a combination of reflexive contrarianism, ego, and an inability to understand that international power is relative--not on purpose.https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1015710432236068866 …

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    Glenn GreenwaldVerified account @ggreenwald
    If you want to see just how sick & toxic US political discourse has become - how Dems, MSNBC & USG operatives have sunk to the level of unhinged McCarthyite paranoia and jingoism - just read this: the most extreme accusations spewed without an iota of evidence. It's a pathology: pic.twitter.com/PiAjU5gmbs
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      2. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Jul 8

        Greenwald's a great example of what I called internet radicals helping authoritarians. So focused on knocking the US (and the West) down a peg that they miss how that helps governments that are far worse on free speech and other freedoms they value.https://arcdigital.media/why-are-internet-radicals-helping-authoritarians-824c6d548fe3 …

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      3. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Jul 8

        For example, Greenwald doesn't have to go on Russian government propaganda outlet RT--or, for that matter, Fox News--to promote the Russian government's arguments. He has his own website. He doesn't have to let himself be used. He just thinks any trade-offs are worth it.pic.twitter.com/qoArVEJ3Ly

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      2. Michael Esposito‏ @meesposito Jul 9
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        In 2016-17 I noticed people who shared Greenwald's views celebrating Hillary's defeat, unaware, or unwilling to admit, that what was replacing neoliberalism was worse. Lately some of them are silent, so I wonder if there's some embarrassment on their part.

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      3. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Jul 9
        Replying to @meesposito

        Don't know about them, but Greenwald's hardly silent, and clearly not embarrassed.

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      2. Troublesome Frog‏ @TroublesomeF Jul 8
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        This would be an awesome blurb for his next book.

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      3. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Jul 8
        Replying to @TroublesomeF

        Ha! Sure. If his publisher wants it, I'd be happy to oblige.

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      2. Paul Greenman‏ @sneakerspg Jul 8
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        No offense, but Greenwald is not an idiot or rube. He’s not some innocent who is accidentally supporting them. But to burn what he sees as Western democracies run amok, he sides with the Russians. He could nuance or temper his defense or support of them. But he isn’t doing that.

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      3. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Jul 8
        Replying to @sneakerspg

        That's what I meant by inability to understand that international power is relative. He's so focused on tearing down the United States--and the West more broadly--that he refuses to see who that helps and who'd get hurt along the way.

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      2. Andrew Frisbie‏ @AndrewFrisbie05 Jul 8
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        Pointing out that the evidence behind this is sketchy and suspect doesn't make somebody a 'contrarian' and it also isn't 'helping Russia'. The truth is the truth, regardless of who is assumed to benefit so the 'helping Russia' bullshit is nothing more than red herring.

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      3. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Jul 8
        Replying to @AndrewFrisbie05

        Of course not. But constantly moving the goalposts and willfully ignoring evidence to maintain a preconceived conclusion is.

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      4. Andrew Frisbie‏ @AndrewFrisbie05 Jul 8
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        Except, that's NOT what he's doing. What he's doing is following the actual evidence where it leads. Media sources are starting at the conclusion and trying to make the evidence fit their preconceived ideas. Unfortunately, seems to be Mueller's M.O. as well.

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      5. Nicholas Grossman‏ @NGrossman81 Jul 8
        Replying to @AndrewFrisbie05

        You're focusing on one thing while ignoring the rest. For example, he didn't have to go on a Kremlin propaganda outfit to promote his pro-Russian PR effort. There are many ways to criticize US gov, media, a specific policy, etc. without contributing to Russian propaganda effortspic.twitter.com/qgkKTnpGus

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      6. Andrew Frisbie‏ @AndrewFrisbie05 Jul 8
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        Hey, numbnuts. He's debunking claims that gutless cowards like you refuse to actually look into. It's what Greenwald does as a journalist. Did you notice how unchallenged the anti-Russia propaganda goes in mainstream sources? He's countering falsehoods perpetuated by 'sources'.

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      7. ManMo‏ @manar0808 Jul 8
        Replying to @AndrewFrisbie05 @NGrossman81

        Greenwald is not a journalist! He’s a hack with an agenda. The isn’t a grain of an objective reporting process in his approach to things.

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      8. Andrew Frisbie‏ @AndrewFrisbie05 Jul 8
        Replying to @manar0808 @NGrossman81

        No, he actually IS a journalist and his 'agenda' is debunking bad claims. Clearly, you have no idea what that looks like.

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      9. ManMo‏ @manar0808 Jul 8
        Replying to @AndrewFrisbie05 @NGrossman81

        Cool. How did the 2016 election go for you Green Party folks? Getting the results U wanted? Seems like combatting Climating Change, being anti-strongman dictators and driving for gender/race equality is at the top of Trump/Putin’s agenda

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      1. Caravan of Local Milk Hens‏ @g0t_86d Jul 8
        Replying to @NGrossman81

        "Unwitting" assets are a thing, though.

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